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re: "Set Aunt Jemima Free" seeks to Free her from grocery store shelf slavery
Posted on 6/20/17 at 12:37 pm to MontyFranklyn
Posted on 6/20/17 at 12:37 pm to MontyFranklyn
quote:
We're simply doing what you all did for hundreds of years
Well, we aren't listening, clearly. This petition has 146 followers. Futile effort on their part. Surely they can find another more prominent racial issue to direct their focus. I can think of about 100.
And I wasn't aware I'd been telling you how to feel for hundreds of years.
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 12:39 pm to MontyFranklyn
quote:
Changing the image doesn't change the history. That has been the sentiment here about the removal of statues for some months now.
Changing the image does show a progression away from the history. The people in the OP are advocating just that by replacing the image with another black woman. But what happens in the future when black feminist think a woman shouldn't be on the label at all because it depicts a woman "in the kitchen"? Are going all in for Uncle Terrell just so no one is offended?
quote:
Back to my point though, I never said that it should be changed or removed. All I simply did is show why some black people may find it offensive.
And people responded with the fact that there are other images for other groups that were at one point offensive but have evolved and been embraced by said group. You just chose to ignore that because white women were referenced. Would have been so dismissive if we used the example of the Miss Chiquita or Uncle Ben instead?
But naturally, you cry about someone disagreeing as you being "shouted down". You can't even deal with someone dissenting without victimizing yourself because you're not in majority on this one.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 12:39 pm to OweO
quote:
Is there anything not offensive these days?
Yeah. An undocumented immigrant muslim trans/pan-sexual black disabled female, lesbian vegan environmental activist, SJW who identifies as a homosexual man.
Short of that, no.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 12:40 pm to cas4t
quote:
And I wasn't aware I'd been telling you how to feel for hundreds of years.
my family wasn't even here during slavery :coco2:
Posted on 6/20/17 at 12:52 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:The people in the OP are opportunists and that is why they aren't gaining any traction. If black women collectively feel that way I'm sure they will take a stand.
Changing the image does show a progression away from the history. The people in the OP are advocating just that by replacing the image with another black woman. But what happens in the future when black feminist think a woman shouldn't be on the label at all because it depicts a woman "in the kitchen"? Are going all in for Uncle Terrell just so no one is offended?
quote:Good for those groups
And people responded with the fact that there are other images for other groups that were at one point offensive but have evolved and been embraced by said group.
quote:No, I addressed it.
ou just chose to ignore that because white women were referenced.
quote:If Central and South American women want to be seen as women carrying baskets of fruit on their head that is on them. If someone thinks Uncle Ben is offensive I'm sure they will voice their opinion and those that support said opinion will chime in.
Would have been so dismissive if we used the example of the Miss Chiquita or Uncle Ben instead?
Why do you think someone or a group should just embrace an image just because another group has? I thought you all hated when people didn't think for themselves and took marching orders from other people. You are actually doing exactly what the woman in the OP did, trying to influence someone else's thinking.
quote:And you cry that someone having a different opinion from you as being whiny.
But naturally, you cry about someone disagreeing as you being "shouted down".
quote:You are in the majority and clearly showing you are pissed that I won't come around to your way of thinking on this matter
You can't even deal with someone dissenting without victimizing yourself because you're not in majority on this one.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 12:53 pm to chinhoyang
quote:
Why not focus on crime, education and employment?
Bc they don't want to. It would ruin their base. If people were able to provide for themselves and thinknfor themselves, they would question the lunacy coming from these people's mouths.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 12:54 pm to MontyFranklyn
Jemima was the the eldest daughter of Job in the Bible. The name means dove or turtledove, I believe.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 12:55 pm to MontyFranklyn
No one is suggesting that they embrace it. I think folks are just a bit sick of the PC culture. It's clearly backfired in recent years.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 12:57 pm to cas4t
quote:She clearly told me to own it and get over it a few pages back.
No one is suggesting that they embrace it. I think folks are just a bit sick of the PC culture. It's clearly backfired in recent years.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 1:00 pm to MontyFranklyn
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And you cry that someone having a different opinion from you as being whiny.
opinions aren't insulated from criticism. And criticizing something you don't agree with doesn't mean you are whining.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 1:01 pm to MontyFranklyn
quote:
MontyFranklyn
Okay. BUT... have you ever purchased Aunt Jemima syrup or pancake mix before?? That's what we all want to know.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 1:02 pm to MontyFranklyn
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She clearly told me to own it and get over it a few pages back.
You're not understanding. Owning it is not the same thing as embracing it. She clearly was saying that instead of seeing the negative in a white woman in the kitchen, she prefers to view it as a positive, as cooking is a skill.
That's not the same thing as embracing a negative stereotype. She's just not buying into it.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 1:04 pm to LSUfanNkaty
quote:yes. It is good, but I've outgrown alot the traditional commercial brands across the board. I try to eat more fresh meats and veggies. When I want pancakes I usually make them from scratch along with the syrup. I takes a very long time so I don't do it very often.
Okay. BUT... have you ever purchased Aunt Jemima syrup or pancake mix before?? That's what we all want to know.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 1:05 pm to MontyFranklyn
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You are in the majority and clearly showing you are pissed that I won't come around to your way of thinking on this matter
You're assuming I'm "pissed" instead of calling out your ignorance on a day where I have some time to kill.
Who's stereotyping now?
quote:
Why do you think someone or a group should just embrace an image just because another group has? I thought you all hated when people didn't think for themselves and took marching orders from other people. You are actually doing exactly what the woman in the OP did, influence someone else's thinking.
Why do you think Quaker Oats should be influenced by an extreme minority (because clearly, by the reaction she dealt with not all black people feel the same way) to completely change their product and
quote:
And you cry that someone having a different opinion from you as being whiny.
Different? No. I dissent on here all of the time without issue. Sometimes people bitch, sometimes they don't.
But you literally threw out the victim card because people were responding, as a majority, that the defense of a super minority being "offended" by certain images was hollow at best.
You assume I don't understand why they might be offended. I do. I just think it's something absurd to be offended over when the company has gone out of their way to change their branding (multiple times) to appease blacks who don't want the image associated with the Mammy connotation. If people are still drawing that conclusion because they're hung up on the history of the product that's on them.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 1:06 pm to MontyFranklyn
Touche
Posted on 6/20/17 at 1:08 pm to Zap Rowsdower
quote:
I guess poor Uncle Ben isn't important enough for a freedom campaign
He must be an Uncle Tom.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 1:09 pm to Brazos
That goes for most people. Any race
Posted on 6/20/17 at 1:09 pm to ihometiger
i now want french toast with syrup.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 1:10 pm to cas4t
quote:No, I'm understanding perfectly. My point is that not everyone wants to spin it in a positive and you have to respect that. You actually don't, but still understand that not everyone wants to do that. It seems that because not everyone is willing to do it, it becomes a problem. Instead of just listening and trying to understand why I won't, it becomes a shouting match of why you should.
You're not understanding. Owning it is not the same thing as embracing it. She clearly was saying that instead of seeing the negative in a white woman in the kitchen, she prefers to view it as a positive, as cooking is a skill.
quote:In this case it kind of is. Embracing it could send the message that black women are their best being subservient for some. I just won't bend the knee to what she wants me to think
That's not the same thing as embracing a negative stereotype. She's just not buying into it.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 1:13 pm to chinhoyang
quote:
Why not focus on crime, education, and employment?
Those can't be as easily blamed on whitey.
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