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re: Serious Question: How to get a secret/ top secret security clearance
Posted on 6/18/16 at 12:36 am to foshizzle
Posted on 6/18/16 at 12:36 am to foshizzle
As I was getting a haircut last year, the lady asked general questions to pass the time. When asked what work I did, I mentioned I had worked as a computer analyst. She said her brother worked on hardware.
She said he worked in the D.C. area and traveled from installation to installation.
I asked if this involved the government. She said it did. Having had security clearances, I asked if this involved a high level security clearance. She said it did. She said he had to take 3 different lie detector tests to get the clearance. She said the average number of tests for that type of clearance was 3 to 5. And there was a high failure rate.
When I asked more specific questions, she said she had asked him the same questions and he said that if he told her he would have to kill her and refused to answer any more questions.
She said he worked in the D.C. area and traveled from installation to installation.
I asked if this involved the government. She said it did. Having had security clearances, I asked if this involved a high level security clearance. She said it did. She said he had to take 3 different lie detector tests to get the clearance. She said the average number of tests for that type of clearance was 3 to 5. And there was a high failure rate.
When I asked more specific questions, she said she had asked him the same questions and he said that if he told her he would have to kill her and refused to answer any more questions.
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Posted on 6/18/16 at 12:37 am to volod
If you don't want to join the military or an alphabet agency, get a job with a company like Lockheed and go to work on a sensitive project.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 1:04 am to matthew25
My grandpa always talked about the Q clearance back in his days with the Air Force in '51-'53. He was stationed at a SAC/AEC base in Caribou, Maine where we kept hydrogen bombs that could be loaded into a bomber. The FBI came down and interviewed my grandma and a few people in town, and even wanted him to come work in Oak Ridge after he left the military, but he declined. I always thought it was pretty awesome.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 2:27 am to volod
I have a TS clearance through the military and my civilian job requires it. I work on government contracts at my civilian job within the tech Industry. I had to take a psych evaluation, full background investigation since birth, credit check, and fingerprints. It takes about 3-6 months to clear once initiated. However, worth it since I can pretty much work for any company of my choosing.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 4:22 am to Breauxsif
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psych evaluation
Stupid arse 600 question T or F test... do you love your mother? Do you hate your mother? Are you afraid of dirt? WTF. Every five years, same test.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 7:33 am to volod
A job will request one for you if they require it. It costs them a substantial amount of money, so if you apply for a position that requires one and someone else applies for it that already has it, they will get the job 100% of the time.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 8:49 am to volod
Even if you have a Secret or TS, you're not entitled to information.
If you have these and do ask, you'll lose it. Just because you have one doesn't mean you'll ever come close to knowing anything crazy.
Example; you might be a contractor working on gear. You can frick around with the gear all day long, but you'll never probably get the specifics of it. The clearance allows you to be around it but not go looking through the safe for in depth features or designs.
If you have these and do ask, you'll lose it. Just because you have one doesn't mean you'll ever come close to knowing anything crazy.
Example; you might be a contractor working on gear. You can frick around with the gear all day long, but you'll never probably get the specifics of it. The clearance allows you to be around it but not go looking through the safe for in depth features or designs.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 8:51 am to momentoftruth87
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The clearance allows you to be around it but not go looking through the safe for in depth features or designs.
Spot on.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 9:23 am to unbeWEAVEable
Need to know basis.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 9:33 am to volod
In my case, I was in the military and got a promotion requiring a TS. Had i not gotten it, it would have been a bad day for me. They talked not only close aquaintances but also neighbors and people I had no idea they'd even talk to. It was extensive. But, I'm glad to have it. When I retire I'll have a few years left on it, so that may help with my next job.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 9:35 am to volod
You'll get one if your employer is a cleared facility and your actual position requires it.
It costs your employer nothing.
Your level of clearance will be determined by the job requirements.
TS takes longer than S, but even S is backlogged and they are much more throrough than they used to be.
Once you leave your employer, unless you go to work for another employer that requires a clearance, you are debriefed and your clearance is deactivated.
It isn't difficult at all to find people who are eligible for a clearance, but the #1 reason they can't get one is bad credit.
The majority of the posts in this thread are inaccurate, but this one isn't.
It costs your employer nothing.
Your level of clearance will be determined by the job requirements.
TS takes longer than S, but even S is backlogged and they are much more throrough than they used to be.
Once you leave your employer, unless you go to work for another employer that requires a clearance, you are debriefed and your clearance is deactivated.
It isn't difficult at all to find people who are eligible for a clearance, but the #1 reason they can't get one is bad credit.
The majority of the posts in this thread are inaccurate, but this one isn't.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 9:40 am to N2cars
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The majority of the posts in this thread are inaccurate, but this one isn't.
I have a fairly high level security clearance for work that has to be revalidated fairly often, a few years ago shortly after having it renewed I went to buy a gun and had to wait almost a week for a background check before I could buy it
Posted on 6/18/16 at 9:50 am to 777Tiger
I had Secret when I was in college. My mom is retired CIA and I was a summer only employee for two years while in college. It's a shame that program was discontinued. Now they only have an intern program.
I got every job I applied for up to 15 years afterwards with CIA summer employee on my resume.
ETA: The people in my little town of 990 in northeastern Ohio freaked out when the government men came around asking about 18 year old me way back when.
I got every job I applied for up to 15 years afterwards with CIA summer employee on my resume.
ETA: The people in my little town of 990 in northeastern Ohio freaked out when the government men came around asking about 18 year old me way back when.
This post was edited on 6/18/16 at 9:57 am
Posted on 6/18/16 at 10:26 am to N2cars
Thank You. I appreciate it. Basically I need to find a job that would ultimately require an S clearance at some point.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 10:41 am to 777Tiger
They knew about you and Tanya.
Makes sense.
Makes sense.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 10:42 am to volod
Correct.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 10:43 am to N2cars
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Makes sense.
that never delta dawned on me!
Posted on 6/18/16 at 10:47 am to 777Tiger
They were afraid some of the cray cray rubbed off.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 10:49 am to N2cars
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They were afraid some of the cray cray rubbed off.
and they were right to have those concerns
Posted on 6/18/16 at 6:26 pm to momentoftruth87
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Even if you have a Secret or TS, you're not entitled to information
Correct, "need to know" applies. Even POTUS is not automatically allowed access to everything.
Most of what I deal with is actually SBU (sensitive but unclassified). Maybe twice a year I see something that makes me think it's related to something classified but I know better than to ask about it.
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