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re: Self-Managed Vacation Policy...If you were a manager how much is too much time off
Posted on 1/6/25 at 11:27 am to sidewalkside
Posted on 1/6/25 at 11:27 am to sidewalkside
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as long as your work gets done.
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Oh...yeah and all you "factory baws" who work hourly need not reply.
Someone that has to WORK trying to talk down to other people that have to work.
You still work for the other bastard, and will until you retire or die. Quit acting like you're a hotshot.
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Posted on 1/6/25 at 11:29 am to sidewalkside
quote:We all know. A "profeesional" would never lie.
Do you really require a "note" from professionals???
Posted on 1/6/25 at 11:29 am to el Gaucho
I got paid for 2 weeks that I didn't use this past year
and I still got 4 1/2 weeks I got use by July of this year
and I still got 4 1/2 weeks I got use by July of this year
Posted on 1/6/25 at 11:35 am to sidewalkside
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Do you really require a "note" from professionals???
Someone asked for a policy, I put out a policy that has to cover everyone.
Professional level employees, no but this trust can certainly be lost.
What I do is have everyone read the policy as is, by the time a new hire asks for sick time (in my experience) youll know whether that person is a contributor or not. If they bring the note for kids sick the first time, Ill never ask for a note again.
This post was edited on 1/6/25 at 11:35 am
Posted on 1/6/25 at 11:37 am to el Gaucho
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At my plant if you try to take a day off they call it “gaycation”
10/10 troll IMO about 4 weeks vacation with good holidays and about a week of sick time is plenty OP. If you are talking someone 40+ that's very upper management or executive and put in their time, than some more time would be more than fair.
I'm a small business owner and my full time and salaries employees get 5 hours of PTO per 2 weeks which is 16.25 days off a year, 3 days of Sick leave, and 10 Holiday days, that's 6 major Holidays plus 4 days off during Xmas.
None of these are anywhere close to being upper management type of roles and under $100k pay, fwiw.
If you are something like a project manager that only has a handful of projects a year that don't really overlap or that you can take a month off at a time, sure. But if you are managing daily/ weekly department how the hell are you taking more than 4-5 weeks off a year and still being valuable?
Posted on 1/6/25 at 11:38 am to sidewalkside
Unlimited vacation is bullshite
Posted on 1/6/25 at 11:39 am to sidewalkside
So glad we don't have this. I almost always have 200 hours in my PTO bank. It belongs to me and I would be paid for it when I leave. This "unlimited" policy lets companies off the hook and doesn't pay you unless you actually take it. I earn 6 weeks a year excluding holidays. I will never take 6 whole weeks. But I will get paid for it at some point. This policy is so unfair because the people who were constantly taking PTO and never carrying any over will take more and people like me will get paid less.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 11:39 am to jizzle6609
OP is talking about an unlimited PTO package. You don’t need any doctors notes for that
I currently have an unlimited PTO package. I don’t have to submit time off requests, if I am sick I take the day, no notes needed. I typically try not to abuse it and take 5-6 weeks off a year since that’s what I got at my last job
I currently have an unlimited PTO package. I don’t have to submit time off requests, if I am sick I take the day, no notes needed. I typically try not to abuse it and take 5-6 weeks off a year since that’s what I got at my last job
Posted on 1/6/25 at 11:41 am to sidewalkside
We had unlimited for a long time (I think we moved to something more structured, but since I don't answer to a supervisor, I'm still under unlimited), and it wasn't really a major issue that I'm aware of.
I'd have to imagine the big reason our owner switched to structured vacation time for the less senior staff is because it just so happens that everyone on our team loves to travel in the big sense. Like, 4 weeks in Japan level trips.
It is much more work to handle the clients of people who go to a foreign country for a month than it is to handle the clients of people who take 4 weeks worth total in a year for a bunch of smaller domestic trips.
I'd have to imagine the big reason our owner switched to structured vacation time for the less senior staff is because it just so happens that everyone on our team loves to travel in the big sense. Like, 4 weeks in Japan level trips.
It is much more work to handle the clients of people who go to a foreign country for a month than it is to handle the clients of people who take 4 weeks worth total in a year for a bunch of smaller domestic trips.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 12:01 pm to LouisianaLady
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It is much more work to handle the clients of people who go to a foreign country for a month than it is to handle the clients of people who take 4 weeks worth total in a year for a bunch of smaller domestic trips.
But that's not really what we are talking about right? If your client needs more than just a minor amount of handling, than frankly you shouldn't be allowed 4 weeks off in a row? That should be denied. Hell, WFH one or two days of the month in Japan and handle it.
The "unlimited" vacation was a liberal pipe dream that, as said, allows employers to not have to bank PTO for their employees that is then owed. You simply take Time off and your salary is the same.
I don't see how, on a large scale, keeping some sort of a record that also costs your company money on the front end doesn't help in the long run. I don't see how you can allow anything past a certain level of say 4 or 6 weeks without major abuse but also truly being in charge of anything important that's a daily/ weekly/ monthly part of a business.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 12:06 pm to baldona
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I don't see how you can allow anything past a certain level of say 4 or 6 weeks without major abuse
I don't think anyone is taking 4-6 weeks off consecutively. But let's say you're out for a week once a month...12 weeks vacation...too much?
Posted on 1/6/25 at 12:08 pm to sidewalkside
unlimited PTO seems like a raw deal for at least 75% of employees who get it. probably only really works for some tech freaks who make 400k in the bay area.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 12:08 pm to sidewalkside
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EDIT- For you baws who don't know what this is it means "unlimited vacation" policy, as long as your work gets done.
How to you get "your work" done if you are not working?
Posted on 1/6/25 at 12:09 pm to sidewalkside
If the work is done and they’re accessible when needed, unlimited.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 12:10 pm to ragincajun03
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This board today...Paternity Leave and Vacation Days.
Makes sense. When you get back to work after an extended time off, instead of knocking out the lingering tasks, the first objective should be figuring out how/when your next extended time off will be.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 12:16 pm to sidewalkside
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I don't think anyone is taking 4-6 weeks off consecutively. But let's say you're out for a week once a month...12 weeks vacation...too much?
Too much according to who? That’s the problem…policy says there’s no such thing as “too much”.
I think the best thing you can do as a manager in this craptastic situation your company has put you in is make very clear and explicit metrics and expectations for the people who report to you and measure that as opposed to time.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 12:20 pm to Dadren
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Too much according to who? That’s the problem…policy says there’s no such thing as “too much”
So as a people manager...what FEELS like too much?
Posted on 1/6/25 at 12:21 pm to jrodLSUke
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Meeting all goals? No limit.
Exactly. Why is this even a question?
Posted on 1/6/25 at 12:22 pm to sidewalkside
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6 weeks? 8 weeks? 10 Weeks?
Where is the limit in your opinion?
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as long as your work gets done.
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