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re: Seeing a lot of restaurants are having trouble hiring workers
Posted on 5/3/21 at 11:49 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 5/3/21 at 11:49 am to RogerTheShrubber
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If you have value, they do.
Would they? It's hard to really know now with the speed at which we can dessiminate information today.
What we know for fact is 150 years ago, your statement was absolutely incorrect.
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Posted on 5/3/21 at 11:50 am to RogerTheShrubber
Okay, so you just want to ignore this country's history of wage fixing and exploitation of low wage earners just so you can blame those low wage earners for their station in life. The very issues that caused the government to institute federal minimum wage laws.
Par for the course.
Par for the course.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 11:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The only "collusion" to drop wages is legalizing millions of uneducated people from South of the border.
Point me to all of the American born workers that are willing to pick fruit in triple digit temperatures for like $40 a day.
Illegal immigration is a problem, but it's not like we have people here knocking down doors to do the work that many of those immigrants are doing.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 11:54 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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is 150 years ago
No one gives a flying frick about 150 years ago.
We were still primarily agricultural across most of the Geographic USA. People didn't need to increase their worth, they grew income by having kids and putting them in the fields.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 11:55 am to The Spleen
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this country's history of wage fixing
Yes
Because it only affects a tiny percentage of population who I don't feel sorry for.
Like most born into poverty, there is a way out.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 11:55 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Is it? If moving the curve vertically doesn't shift the demand curve down and increases the supply curve, having a minimum wage is good for all workers.
I'm not opposed to a minimum wage being in place to prevent abuses and what would basically be slave labor of the lowest tier of people, nor am I against it adjusting as inflation happens.
But his point was that most places already pay above minimum wage because of competition in the market. Taco Bell can't pay $7.25/hour while every other FF place pays $9+ and expect to have any workers, so the free market works itself out.
WalMart starting pay in LA is $11.. almost $4 above minimum wage. This idea that the majority of FF workers or retail or restaurant workers are making $290 a week working full time is mostly untrue.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 11:56 am to LouisianaLady
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This idea that the majority of FF workers or retail or restaurant workers are making $290 a week working full time is mostly untrue.
Most people making $290 a week choose to work part time.
I recently left the Dept of Labor, it's depressing how many entitled boobs out there have no value, and put no effort, and think something is owed to them.
This post was edited on 5/3/21 at 11:58 am
Posted on 5/3/21 at 11:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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No one gives a flying frick about 150 years ago
You seemed to really care about history when people wanted to remove historical statues, so which is it?
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We were still primarily agricultural across most of the Geographic USA. People didn't need to increase their worth, they grew income by having kids and putting them in the fields.
And when the Industrial Revolution started, workers were bringing immense value while being horribly exploited, which is the point.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 12:01 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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workers were bringing immense value while being horribly exploited,
If you're easily replaceable...no...you're not bringing any unique value. Unless you are willing to work dirt cheap.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 12:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Because it only affects a tiny percentage of population who I don't feel sorry for.
Today, maybe that's true. I'm talking about in the historical context, which necessitated the minimum wage laws you seem to despise so much.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 12:04 pm to LouisianaLady
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But his point was that most places already pay above minimum wage because of competition in the market
Yep
The way to increase wage is either increase your value or an ultra tight labor market.
Any rube can do well when everyone is hiring.
Again, most low wage workers are their own enemy. The only ones I pity are those incapable of working due to cognitive or physical challenges.
Anyone who would destroy the way of life most enjoy to placate those who don't want to work aren't worthy of respect.
This post was edited on 5/3/21 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 5/3/21 at 12:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Any rube can do well when everyone is hiring.
Evidently not.
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Anyone who would destroy the way of life most enjoy to placate those who don't want to work aren't worthy of respect.
Your hyperbole is noted
Posted on 5/3/21 at 12:12 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:And zero is apparently the correct number of workers.
The correct minimum wage is zero.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 12:12 pm to The Spleen
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Today, maybe that's true. I'm talking about in the historical context, which necessitated the minimum wage laws you seem to despise so much.
You may want to look at the history of the minimum wage around the world. The late (and great) economist Walter Williams devoted a significant part of his life to studying the origins of minimum wage laws and he found that in many parts of the globe, they had racist roots or were ways for greedy unions to price out unskilled labor
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An even more insidious substitution effect of minimum wages can be seen from a few quotations. During South Africa’s apartheid era, racist unions, which would never accept a black member, were the major supporters of minimum wages for blacks. In 1925, the South African Economic and Wage Commission said, “The method would be to fix a minimum rate for an occupation or craft so high that no Native would be likely to be employed.” Gert Beetge, secretary of the racist Building Workers’ Union, complained, “There is no job reservation left in the building industry, and in the circumstances, I support the rate for the job (minimum wage) as the second-best way of protecting our white artisans.” “Equal pay for equal work” became the rallying slogan of the South African white labor movement. These laborers knew that if employers were forced to pay black workers the same wages as white workers, there’d be reduced incentive to hire blacks.
South Africans were not alone in their minimum wage conspiracy against blacks. After a bitter 1909 strike by the Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen and Enginemen in the U.S., an arbitration board decreed that blacks and whites were to be paid equal wages. Union members expressed their delight, saying, “If this course of action is followed by the company and the incentive for employing the Negro thus removed, the strike will not have been in vain.”
Our nation’s first minimum wage law, the Davis-Bacon Act of 1931, had racist motivation. During its legislative debate, its congressional supporters made such statements as, “That contractor has cheap colored labor that he transports, and he puts them in cabins, and it is labor of that sort that is in competition with white labor throughout the country.” During hearings, American Federation of Labor President William Green complained, “Colored labor is being sought to demoralize wage rates.”
Posted on 5/3/21 at 12:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Pay attention. This whole thread is about people who are apparently not easily replaceable, no matter what your opinion or the opinion of restaurant owners is of their value.
If you're easily replaceable...no...you're not bringing any unique value. Unless you are willing to work dirt cheap.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 12:18 pm to tokenBoiler
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who are apparently not easily replaceable,
If you show up on time, do a decent job and/or have minimal customer service skills youre irreplaceable in the restaurant industry. You will also do well in that industry.
Its by far the hardest sector to find decent employees.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 12:20 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Any rube can do well when everyone is hiring.
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Evidently not.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 12:21 pm to tokenBoiler
quote:classic Rodger
If you're easily replaceable...no...you're not bringing any unique value. Unless you are willing to work dirt cheap.
Pay attention. This whole thread is about people who are apparently not easily replaceable, no matter what your opinion or the opinion of restaurant owners is of their value.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 12:24 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Point me to all of the American born workers that are willing to pick fruit in triple digit temperatures for like $40 a day
Your formal education must have come out of the back of a magazine.
Millions of lowly educated, non skilled workers put downward pressure on wages and this has happened since the early 70's.
Cheap foreign labor (skilled or not) also puts downward pressure on wages.
Without them, wages rise.
This post was edited on 5/3/21 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 5/3/21 at 12:39 pm to jmarto1
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jmarto1
Have you guys tried to get Mexicans on work visas for the kitchen? A friend owns 5 restaurants and he uses them for 95% of his staff. We’ve been at 100% on the farm side for years and it’s been a game changer.
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