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re: Scientists find no evidence of depression being caused by "chemical imbalances" in brain

Posted on 7/27/22 at 1:55 pm to
Posted by SlidellCajun
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 1:55 pm to
There’s a large dark side to these drugs being taken for depression.

There is a connection between these mass shootings and anti depressants. The killers are often times either in the drugs or recently quit taking them.
The drug industry doesn’t want this to be known.

The drugs desensitize these people to the effects of their actions. They’re disturbed emotionally, take the anti depressants and become killing machines with no remorse.

Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:01 pm to
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I'm board certified in 3 states.



Posted by foosball
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:07 pm to
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Posted by High C
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:07 pm to
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It's impossible to be a good doctor.


“Good” is an adjective that is almost always paired with “doctor” in our society. You make a few valid points, even if they are overstated, for the most part.
Posted by Gaggle
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:14 pm to
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Posted by Gaggle
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:21 pm to
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Posted by Misnomer
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:34 pm to
I post this all the time...Pills do not give us the emotional skills to handle the daily knocks of life. It is possible to learn these skills, the lack of which are the root cause of most depression and anxiety issues.

I'm a pharmacist and I have believed for many years these medications don't significantly help the majority who take them. They have unacceptable side effects for many people, who often end up treating the side effects with other drugs, because SSRIs are difficult to stop taking. Many other drugs are serotonergic and the additive effects are too often overlooked.

For example, someone taking escitalopram hurts their back and gets prescribed meloxicam + tramadol, then gets a migraine and takes sumatriptan. That's four extremely common serotonergic drugs. People on SSRIs who take other common meds are often walking around with mild serotonin syndrome which manifests as increased heart rate, anxiety, confusion, insomnia.

Before you know it, a benzo is prescribed for the panic attacks, amphetamines for the confusion, and a hypnotic to numb the insomnia is added.

Prescribers just don't have time to address why people are really depressed...overweight, abuse, stress, being unproductive, alcoholism, etc.

This book teaches self awareness and emotional skills; that's what truly cures depression.


Posted by Gaggle
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:39 pm to
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Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:45 pm to
That's all real nice, but my wife was dangerously depressed for years. She tried every therapy under the sun and absolutely nothing helped until she got on the right med combination. Telling somebody who struggles with getting out of bed or cooking a meal to exercise or destress is a bad joke.

Fun fact:. My wife tried Abilify the first time and it didn't help. After trying and failing with several other meds they came around to it again. This time her doc got the crazy idea to try a lower dose and it worked. Sometimes it's more art than science.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:49 pm to
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That's all real nice, but my wife was dangerously depressed for years. She tried every therapy under the sun and absolutely nothing helped until she got on the right med combination


She exercised, dieted, slept 8 hours a night on the same rhythm, got sufficient sunlight, practiced deliberate gratitude?
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Posted by Gaggle
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 3:03 pm to
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Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 3:09 pm to
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She exercised, dieted, slept 8 hours a night on the same rhythm, got sufficient sunlight, practiced deliberate gratitude?



If you're seriously depressed your sleep patterns are almost certainly disrupted. You're not going to get good sleep. It's a circular argument. Yes to the other questions, as far as possible. Again, depression affects all that, as well as relationships, which is a big one. It's hard to be friends with a depressed person so they drift away and you become more isolated.

There's a difference between organic depression and having the blues, a midlife crisis or being down because you lost your job, although any of those things may contribute to or kickstart an existing depressive state.

Real depression is a medical condition that requires medical treatment. You wouldn't tell a cancer patient to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 3:11 pm to
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You wouldn't tell a cancer patient to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.


What an idiotic comparison.
Posted by Gaggle
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 3:15 pm to
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Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 3:16 pm to
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It's impossible to be a good doctor. There's an absurd penalty (6 figures) if you opt out of EMR and coding. So you have no choice but to play the government program game, manipulate it best you can, give unnecessary tests. It absolutely has to be a business, a game of insurance where you are trying to squeeze money unnecessarily from your patients. You will not make it if you don't do that. Even the most independent doctors have to.



Thanks Obama.
Posted by Geekboy
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 3:19 pm to
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Next up in my opinion is the Statin/Cholesterol industry.

Now that one truly is a crock of shite.
Posted by Gaggle
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 3:24 pm to
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Posted by Misnomer
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 3:29 pm to
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Gaggle

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That's the typical story for most Ritalin and Adderall prescriptions


Most of the stuff in your post regarding the typical adderall patient isn't the case at my pharmacy. There are more male than females on adderall, and almost none of them are obese and sedentary
Posted by Gaggle
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 3:31 pm to
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Posted by wheelr
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 3:37 pm to
The amount of people on all this medicine is depressing.

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Eta: But wellbutrin sure enough works for stopping nicotine. There are some uses for them.


Many stop without any medication at all. Doubtful they have some superhuman power that others don't.

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