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re: Saw 2 homeless out and about on the way to work this morning
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:02 am to Happygilmore
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:02 am to Happygilmore
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that's where you need to check out then.
Alright, Mr. "what's that ring around the moon?!?!".
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Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:03 am to thesoccerfanjax
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Good post but you'll never get the Fox News crowd to agree to any of that.
It's a losing battle that I can't stay away from. I measure my success in down votes. 
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:03 am to Topwater Trout
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I blame it on ice
That's a big part of it. Many natives (like actual multi generational natives) can simply no longer afford to live there, though, even though it's where their family has lived for hundreds and hundreds of years. And they can't afford to leave. It's pretty sad.
Also, many homeless people from the mainland save up all they have for a one way ticket to Hawaii.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:05 am to lsunurse
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Honolulu has a huge homeless problem. I can remember walking down the street at night in Waikiki and you just see homeless people lining up on the sidewalks staking their "spot" with their belongings for the night. You will walk by several people just sleeping on the sidewalk in sleeping bags. All the covered ramadas on the beach had homeless tucking into for the night as well.
I've seen that too. I suspect quite a few of them "escaped" to paradise, found out they couldn't afford to live there and can't afford to leave. The funny thing about the cardboard city in Maui is that they settle into this dry stream bed that is a huge flood way run off to the ocean. Every time there's a heavy rain it gets washed away. Mother nature trying to coax them I bet.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:06 am to rbWarEagle
It's unnatural for a man to be committed to one home. Jesus was a nomad. It's our natural state.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:06 am to rbWarEagle
I think people refusing to admit that a very large portion of homelessness is caused by lack of personal responsibility and accountability, laziness is more irresponsible toward the human condition than the people here who blame it all on that.
One of the chief issues we will face as a species over the next century is the entitlement mentality. I don't want to work. I don't want to push myself, just give me the handout.
I freely admit that a large portion of it is because of severe mental illness, I'm not critical of them, but I am critical of the combined majority who either willing fricked themselves up with drugs or are too lazy to get off of their asses and make an attempt to better themselves. Sure, it's not always easy. but that's not an excuse.
One of the chief issues we will face as a species over the next century is the entitlement mentality. I don't want to work. I don't want to push myself, just give me the handout.
I freely admit that a large portion of it is because of severe mental illness, I'm not critical of them, but I am critical of the combined majority who either willing fricked themselves up with drugs or are too lazy to get off of their asses and make an attempt to better themselves. Sure, it's not always easy. but that's not an excuse.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:06 am to Osiris
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Since when are all homeless people suffering from mental illness?
I don't see where anyone said "all," but it's a significant plurality that are.
Here in downtown SD they're everywhere. It's pretty easy to spot a homeless guy with schizophrenia.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:06 am to meauxjeaux2
You think that all these homeless people out there, they prefer to be on the streets in the cold rather than to have a nice warm home of their own to go to. Yea sorry i dont buy that at all
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:07 am to Osiris
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Several. Every single one has been about money. I offer only food and they basically get offended.
No, that's not what I'm talking about.
How many times have you sat down with a homeless person and just started a conversation? Asked them about their life, where they're from, what's caused them to be down on their luck?
Most of them that I've encountered will be very candid with you when asked. Unless they're drunk or high (and there have been several of those too) - they're usually very genuine and don't have a problem being honest with you.
Are some of them homeless because they're lazy? Well, yeah. But there are a lot that aren't and are willing to work odd jobs and do whatever you need them to just to be able to buy food for the day. There are also a lot with mental illnesses that prevent them from holding a normal job and without family to help support them.
It's pretty unfair of you to paint the entire homeless population with such a broad brush - especially considering you seem to have not had many "real" conversations with them.
This post was edited on 1/8/15 at 11:08 am
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:09 am to meauxjeaux2
Most on the streets have mental issues and aren't allowed to stay at the shelters. However, there is a smaller percentage that feel its safer to be on the streets than in a shelter.
Also, a lot of shelters kick you out during day time hours.
We did a lot of stories on the homeless when I was still in news and it was super depressing.
Also, a lot of shelters kick you out during day time hours.
We did a lot of stories on the homeless when I was still in news and it was super depressing.
This post was edited on 1/8/15 at 11:10 am
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:09 am to QJenk
quote:first off. Where did you get this from my OP?
You think that all these homeless people out there, they prefer to be on the streets in the cold rather than to have a nice warm home of their own to go to. Yea sorry i dont buy that at all
Second,i don't want this thread going the way its going but as usual,the OT will steer any decent discussion where they see fit.
I'm simply stating. With all the services available,why would one wish to be out in this insanely cold weather? That's it. Not talking about them looking for a home,pulling up their bootstraps and getting shite done.
But with section 8 any one of them could get a home
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:09 am to Tuscaloosa
Also, the same reason many may refuse food is the same reason many may refuse shelters or medical attention for any mental illnesses they may have: Humans are proud beings. Even homeless ones. No one wants to believe they can't help themselves.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:10 am to Tuscaloosa
Most homeless are just good people who caught a bad break and are now struggling to put heroin on their family
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:10 am to lsunurse
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you're right. it is a result of laziness and lack of taking responsibility for your actions.
Or the result of serious mental health issues that aren't treated.
Exactly. It is not a black and white issue.
Some are homeless by choice and some are by circumstances beyond their control.
One of my gaming friends was laid off from his job. The next day, his wife's employer was bought out and she was laid off to.
They literally lived out of their car for 3 months while they looked for new jobs.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:11 am to Goldrush25
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Here in downtown SD they're everywhere. It's pretty easy to spot a homeless guy with schizophrenia.
and its to see the bum next to him with the attitude that"well, if he doesn't have to do shite, neither do I"
i think the number of the latter example of the two is a lot higher than people think it is.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:11 am to Tuscaloosa
quote:hoping the entire time you'll give them money. Or scheming the entire time on how to con you out of some "spare change"
How many times have you sat down with a homeless person and just started a conversation? Asked them about their life, where they're from, what's caused them to be down on their luck?
Most of them that I've encountered will be very candid with you when asked.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:11 am to TigerFanatic99
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I think people refusing to admit that a very large portion of homelessness is caused by lack of personal responsibility and accountability, laziness is more irresponsible toward the human condition than the people here who blame it all on that.
We have different views on personal responsibility, obviously.
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One of the chief issues we will face as a species over the next century is the entitlement mentality. I don't want to work. I don't want to push myself, just give me the handout.
Maybe, but that's a societal and economic issue that's far more complicated than some make it out to be.
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I freely admit that a large portion of it is because of severe mental illness, I'm not critical of them, but I am critical of the combined majority who either willing fricked themselves up with drugs or are too lazy to get off of their asses and make an attempt to better themselves. Sure, it's not always easy. but that's not an excuse.
Again, we just happen to have different views on the subject of the human brain and volition. Read my response to meauxjeaux a page back for idea of where we may depart.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:13 am to meauxjeaux2
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hoping the entire time you'll give them money. Or scheming the entire time on how to con you out of some "spare change"
That's why I always start the conversation with "I don't have any money to give you... but" - regardless of whether or not I intend to give it to them.
These people are basically ignored all day long. People avoid eye contact with them and pretend they don't exist to avoid feeling bad. Most homeless people just want to feel human. They are very quick and eager to talk to anyone who will listen.
You're making a lot of ignorant assumptions.
This post was edited on 1/8/15 at 11:14 am
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:14 am to Tuscaloosa
quote:Don't you see a problem with this? How will they ever get out of this lifestyle when they are living day-to-day. And before you drop the "because they have to or they'll die", that isn't what I am trying to get at.
But there are a lot that aren't and are willing to work odd jobs and do whatever you need them to just to be able to buy food for the day
There are several places that distribute free food. I've worked at many over the years. But after that, they aren't trying to educate themselves. Sure they are willing to do these odd jobs but those odd jobs will not take them out of homelessness.
By lazy I don't necessarily mean just sitting around all day. I mean getting out there and trying to make yourself a better asset to society instead of bring it down.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:14 am to meauxjeaux2
Most homeless people didn't make a conscious choice to be homeless. The vast majority or either insane or have significant addiction problems. It's not just some dude, down on his luck that lost his job.
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