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re: Sandra Bland’s family files lawsuit against trooper, sheriff's office & jailers
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:37 pm to SabiDojo
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:37 pm to SabiDojo
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If there is a settlement and the number is pretty large, that tells you something.
when there is obvious gross negligence I understand the huge awards...I just think it should be capped at 10x what they made in the last year.
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:37 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Drawing the conclusion that this was a multi department murder conspiracy to murder a woman just for a traffic infraction and being obnoxious is foil hat thinking
I don't pretend to know everything about the case, but I'm pretty sure that's not what the lawsuit is about.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:43 pm to SabiDojo
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The lawsuit said Encinia "intentionally, willfully, wantonly, and unreasonably deprived Sandra Bland of her rights, privileges and immunities secured by the U.S. Constitution."
The above, which is what the suit says, is a lot easier to prove, than a multi-faceted murder conspiracy.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:46 pm to VetteGuy
Just a smidge.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:49 pm to ForeverLSU02
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Bland, who is black,
bullshite. she WAS black.
/jeselnik
Posted on 8/4/15 at 12:50 pm to VetteGuy
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The lawsuit said Encinia "intentionally, willfully, wantonly, and unreasonably deprived Sandra Bland of her rights, privileges and immunities secured by the U.S. Constitution."
is jackie stiles their lawyer?
Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:04 pm to ForeverLSU02
I dont know all of the details of the case, but from what I have seen, this whole thing is really shady. So I believe the family is in the right.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:06 pm to REG861
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A lot of people would act irate if they were improperly pulled over. I don't know all the details, but apparently the Department knows enough to say the officer was partially in the wrong.
I can understand being pissed about being pulled over for something stupid, but why is it necessary to fight back with the cop? Just get your damn ticket and argue your case to the judge.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:12 pm to ForeverLSU02
gee, she seemed like such a law abiding citizen who always followed the law..
(sorry such a long post but this is HER record as copied )
LINK
"at the time of her death -- she still owed a total of $7,579.00 in court fines resulting from five traffic stops in various Chicago suburbs (including a DUI), and she had been cited several times for her failure to pay those fines.
March of 2013 – Bland was stopped in Crestwood Township while driving a 2013 Cadillac DeVille and received two citations – for speeding 21-25 mph above the limit, and for operating an uninsured motor vehicle. She was fined $200, which – according to Cook County Court records – has not been paid.
November of 2013 – A report in a suburban newspaper says that Bland was arrested in Naperville; charged on a warrant, and transported to DuPage County Jail. The news report does not say what the warrant was for.
February of 2014 – Bland was stopped by Lombard Police and charged with operating an uninsured motor vehicle and driving with expired license plates. She was convicted in both charges and fined, but by May of 2014 court records show that she still owed $2,769.00 in fines, and the judge ordered that the Illinois Secretary of State be notified of her failure to pay.
March 3, 2014 – Naperville Police cited Bland for operating an uninsured motor vehicle. Court records show she was ordered to pay a fine, but was cited twice for failure to pay. In June of 2014 the court ordered that the Illinois Secretary of State be notified, and the docket lists a $1,313.00 balance still due.
March 8, 2014 – Approximately five days after her stop in Naperville, Bland was stopped by police in Lombard and charged with two counts of driving under the influence; speeding 15-20 mph over the speed limit; improper lane usage; disobeying a traffic control signal; failing to signal when changing lanes; driving on a suspended license, and operating an uninsured motor vehicle. The court found her guilty of one DUI charge, and all the other charges were dismissed. She received court supervision and was fined, and court records show that she still owes $3,132.00 in this case. (A spokesman with the Illinois Secretary of State’s office says Bland’s driver’s license was automatically suspended for six months – until November of 2014 – as a result of this DUI conviction.)
During that suspension – in May of 2014 – Naperville Police cited Bland for speeding 15-20 mph over the limit. According to the DuPage County court docket, Bland “fail[ed] to comply” in the case in June of 2014 and again in August of 2014, when the court ordered the Illinois Secretary of State to be notified. Records show a $45.00 balance due in this case, though a court spokesman says the actual amount owed is $165.00. The outcome in this case is not clear.
These notifications would have come up when Bland next tried to renew her license, according to the Illinois Secretary of State spokesman, and she would be required to pay all balances due.
NBC5 Investigates found five other police encounters involving Sandra Bland ranging from 2010 back to 2004:
May of 2010 – Bland was charged in two separate court cases in Harris County, Texas, for misdemeanor possession of a small amount of marijuana and driving while intoxicated. Court records show that the DWI charge was dismissed, but Bland pled guilty in September of 2010 to the pot charge.
April of 2009 – Bland was charged in Harris County with misdemeanor possession of drug paraphernalia, but the charge was dismissed.
June of 2005 – Bland was stopped by police in Oakbrook Terrace and charged with two traffic violations: Driving too fast for conditions or failure to reduce speed to avoid an accident, and operating an uninsured motor vehicle. She pled guilty to both charges; was given supervision, and paid a fine.
June of 2004 – Bland was charged by Elmhurst police with one count of retail theft of less than $150. She pled guilty to that charge in August of 2004; paid a fine; and was sentenced to community service and supervision.
(sorry such a long post but this is HER record as copied )
LINK
"at the time of her death -- she still owed a total of $7,579.00 in court fines resulting from five traffic stops in various Chicago suburbs (including a DUI), and she had been cited several times for her failure to pay those fines.
March of 2013 – Bland was stopped in Crestwood Township while driving a 2013 Cadillac DeVille and received two citations – for speeding 21-25 mph above the limit, and for operating an uninsured motor vehicle. She was fined $200, which – according to Cook County Court records – has not been paid.
November of 2013 – A report in a suburban newspaper says that Bland was arrested in Naperville; charged on a warrant, and transported to DuPage County Jail. The news report does not say what the warrant was for.
February of 2014 – Bland was stopped by Lombard Police and charged with operating an uninsured motor vehicle and driving with expired license plates. She was convicted in both charges and fined, but by May of 2014 court records show that she still owed $2,769.00 in fines, and the judge ordered that the Illinois Secretary of State be notified of her failure to pay.
March 3, 2014 – Naperville Police cited Bland for operating an uninsured motor vehicle. Court records show she was ordered to pay a fine, but was cited twice for failure to pay. In June of 2014 the court ordered that the Illinois Secretary of State be notified, and the docket lists a $1,313.00 balance still due.
March 8, 2014 – Approximately five days after her stop in Naperville, Bland was stopped by police in Lombard and charged with two counts of driving under the influence; speeding 15-20 mph over the speed limit; improper lane usage; disobeying a traffic control signal; failing to signal when changing lanes; driving on a suspended license, and operating an uninsured motor vehicle. The court found her guilty of one DUI charge, and all the other charges were dismissed. She received court supervision and was fined, and court records show that she still owes $3,132.00 in this case. (A spokesman with the Illinois Secretary of State’s office says Bland’s driver’s license was automatically suspended for six months – until November of 2014 – as a result of this DUI conviction.)
During that suspension – in May of 2014 – Naperville Police cited Bland for speeding 15-20 mph over the limit. According to the DuPage County court docket, Bland “fail[ed] to comply” in the case in June of 2014 and again in August of 2014, when the court ordered the Illinois Secretary of State to be notified. Records show a $45.00 balance due in this case, though a court spokesman says the actual amount owed is $165.00. The outcome in this case is not clear.
These notifications would have come up when Bland next tried to renew her license, according to the Illinois Secretary of State spokesman, and she would be required to pay all balances due.
NBC5 Investigates found five other police encounters involving Sandra Bland ranging from 2010 back to 2004:
May of 2010 – Bland was charged in two separate court cases in Harris County, Texas, for misdemeanor possession of a small amount of marijuana and driving while intoxicated. Court records show that the DWI charge was dismissed, but Bland pled guilty in September of 2010 to the pot charge.
April of 2009 – Bland was charged in Harris County with misdemeanor possession of drug paraphernalia, but the charge was dismissed.
June of 2005 – Bland was stopped by police in Oakbrook Terrace and charged with two traffic violations: Driving too fast for conditions or failure to reduce speed to avoid an accident, and operating an uninsured motor vehicle. She pled guilty to both charges; was given supervision, and paid a fine.
June of 2004 – Bland was charged by Elmhurst police with one count of retail theft of less than $150. She pled guilty to that charge in August of 2004; paid a fine; and was sentenced to community service and supervision.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:13 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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People commit suicide in jail all the time.
So you'd think there'd be better controls in place to prevent it, especially if, as you implied, it's so likely to occur
Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:15 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Drawing the conclusion that this was a multi department murder conspiracy to murder a woman just for a traffic infraction and being obnoxious is foil hat thinking. There should be no gray area on autopsy for a hanging. You can't hang someone that doesn't want to be hung without tying them up or some struggle. If she would have taken a beating, any pathologist would find it. She had two autopsies, correct?
Murder conspiracy isn't the issue. The issue is her being allowed to hang herself. When someone is in jail, they are under the protection of the jailer. Not just for food but for medical care. A suicidal person must be protected from herself. Sure, some things aren't preventable and that's why we have trials and juries. But no one said housing people in jails is easy, so maybe people shouldn't be kept in jail for days on a traffic ticket. $500 bond isn't high, but it should've been ROR Bc some people can't make any bond.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:22 pm to gingerkittie
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"at the time of her death -- she still owed a total of $7,579.00 in court fines resulting from five traffic stops in various Chicago suburbs (including a DUI), and she had been cited several times for her failure to pay those fines.
Winston Churchill once said "A lie gets half way around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." I feel like this case, above most of the other needless deaths due to police, is not the one to rally around. This lady was CRAZY. She seemingly NEVER had car insurance and still drove like a fricking moron... for years. Someone should've been blasting this record from the rooftops so that her would-be supporters would realize that there are TONS of other instances of police brutality, but maybe this isn't the hill they want to die on.
That said, the cop is still an absolute dick for arresting her for some bullshite charge of not obeying his authority. You take your victim as you find them, and in this case he wrongfully arrested a person with serious mental health issues and the department is likely going to be on the hook for it.
This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:25 pm to TigerBait1127
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So you'd think there'd be better controls in place to prevent it, especially if, as you implied, it's so likely to occur
In 2010, suicide was the leading cause of death for prison inmates. I'm assuming it's the same today, but there isn't that great of control in place to prevent it evidently. The jail systems and the money put into them are quite mediocre.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:26 pm to KindaRaw
There's a difference between the level of care afforded to someone who has a history of suicide attempts and one who has no such history.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:30 pm to ForeverLSU02
We're acting like we dont take people to litigation for the dumbest of things
Posted on 8/4/15 at 1:30 pm to SabiDojo
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There's a difference between the level of care afforded to someone who has a history of suicide attempts and one who has no such history.
This is true. Still, the system still isn't as efficient as it could be. Not that I have any useful solutions though.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 2:10 pm to ForeverLSU02
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The discovery of Bland's body in her cell on July 13 with a trash bag around her neck in an apparent hanging provoked suspicions of racist treatment.
either somebody did it for her or there was no racism involved. nobody would kill themselves when the opportunity to cry racism about somebody else is on the table.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 2:15 pm to TigerHam85
quote:You do realize that a felony arrest would nullify said job
She didn't hang herself. She was an educated lady who had just gotten a new job!
No way she hung herself. The cops staged all of this.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 2:39 pm to gingerkittie
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"at the time of her death -- she still owed a total of $7,579.00 in court fines resulting from five traffic stops in various Chicago suburbs (including a DUI), and she had been cited several times for her failure to pay those fines.
March of 2013 – Bland was stopped in Crestwood Township while driving a 2013 Cadillac DeVille and received two citations – for speeding 21-25 mph above the limit, and for operating an uninsured motor vehicle. She was fined $200, which – according to Cook County Court records – has not been paid.
November of 2013 – A report in a suburban newspaper says that Bland was arrested in Naperville; charged on a warrant, and transported to DuPage County Jail. The news report does not say what the warrant was for.
February of 2014 – Bland was stopped by Lombard Police and charged with operating an uninsured motor vehicle and driving with expired license plates. She was convicted in both charges and fined, but by May of 2014 court records show that she still owed $2,769.00 in fines, and the judge ordered that the Illinois Secretary of State be notified of her failure to pay.
March 3, 2014 – Naperville Police cited Bland for operating an uninsured motor vehicle. Court records show she was ordered to pay a fine, but was cited twice for failure to pay. In June of 2014 the court ordered that the Illinois Secretary of State be notified, and the docket lists a $1,313.00 balance still due.
March 8, 2014 – Approximately five days after her stop in Naperville, Bland was stopped by police in Lombard and charged with two counts of driving under the influence; speeding 15-20 mph over the speed limit; improper lane usage; disobeying a traffic control signal; failing to signal when changing lanes; driving on a suspended license, and operating an uninsured motor vehicle. The court found her guilty of one DUI charge, and all the other charges were dismissed. She received court supervision and was fined, and court records show that she still owes $3,132.00 in this case. (A spokesman with the Illinois Secretary of State’s office says Bland’s driver’s license was automatically suspended for six months – until November of 2014 – as a result of this DUI conviction.)
During that suspension – in May of 2014 – Naperville Police cited Bland for speeding 15-20 mph over the limit. According to the DuPage County court docket, Bland “fail[ed] to comply” in the case in June of 2014 and again in August of 2014, when the court ordered the Illinois Secretary of State to be notified. Records show a $45.00 balance due in this case, though a court spokesman says the actual amount owed is $165.00. The outcome in this case is not clear.
These notifications would have come up when Bland next tried to renew her license, according to the Illinois Secretary of State spokesman, and she would be required to pay all balances due.
NBC5 Investigates found five other police encounters involving Sandra Bland ranging from 2010 back to 2004:
May of 2010 – Bland was charged in two separate court cases in Harris County, Texas, for misdemeanor possession of a small amount of marijuana and driving while intoxicated. Court records show that the DWI charge was dismissed, but Bland pled guilty in September of 2010 to the pot charge.
April of 2009 – Bland was charged in Harris County with misdemeanor possession of drug paraphernalia, but the charge was dismissed.
June of 2005 – Bland was stopped by police in Oakbrook Terrace and charged with two traffic violations: Driving too fast for conditions or failure to reduce speed to avoid an accident, and operating an uninsured motor vehicle. She pled guilty to both charges; was given supervision, and paid a fine.
June of 2004 – Bland was charged by Elmhurst police with one count of retail theft of less than $150. She pled guilty to that charge in August of 2004; paid a fine; and was sentenced to community service and supervision.
So the people whining that she wasn't properly "cared for" in jail - shouldn't they also be whining that a suicidal person is behind the wheel of a car in the first place?
And FWIW, I think they'll settle this to make it go away.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:01 pm to SabiDojo
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quote:
Drawing the conclusion that this was a multi department murder conspiracy to murder a woman just for a traffic infraction and being obnoxious is foil hat thinking
I don't pretend to know everything about the case, but I'm pretty sure that's not what the lawsuit is about.
I know. I was referring to w hat some talking heads were saying. I'm here in Houston/Katy. Hell the cop lives here. They were planning to protest his home. We get more coverage. Many when asked if she hung herself were skeptical.
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