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re: Rooftop Solar is about to collapse -Time Mag.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 12:00 pm to DesScorp
Posted on 1/29/24 at 12:00 pm to DesScorp
Power companies are also closing or severely limiting any programs that would make these more attractive. Southern Company is absolutely gutting any buy back or incentives in the southeast where we get enough sun for them to even be viable.
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Posted on 1/29/24 at 12:20 pm to Smeg
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Yeah, I was talking about the cost of the consumer. It paid for itself from his perspective.
Yes, but that's not the "true cost".
That's why I said:
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The true cost of solar panels exceed the lifetime savings on your electric bill.
And you replied "that doesn't add up".
That's because you are stupid.
Not sure why you guys have to act like this all the time...
Who gives a shite about what the "true cost" is from an individual perspective? He paid $5k. That is what matters to this individual. Yeah, tax dollars subsidized it, but that is not part of this equation.
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The true cost of solar panels exceed the lifetime savings on your electric bill.
From an individual perspective, there is cost savings.
From an industry perspective, there is no cost savings.
Seems you two are arguing two different arguments. Both arguments can exist.
Not arguing for or against solar panels. Just the logic.
If I bought an EV back when govt subsidized the hell out of them, you think I'm concerned more about "true cost" or what I'm actually paying for the vehicle? If the true cost is $85K and I actually pay $50K, which number there is my concern?
Hint... it's not the $85K.
I think that is the what he's saying.
You're arguing that solar panels are not worth it and provide no cost savings. But if you remove most of the cost to the INDIVIDUAL PERSON, he will see cost savings.
This post was edited on 1/29/24 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 1/29/24 at 12:21 pm to DesScorp
The Sunset of Big Solar
Posted on 1/29/24 at 12:23 pm to Randman
Solar isn't for everyone, but its the right tool for some and has little to do with ROI.
First, if we based every home decision on ROI the residential pool industry would collapse.
Second, as battery tech continues to improve solar will because a more competitive option. My friend just spent a little less than $30,000 to replace a 12 year old whole house generator. If battery tech continues to improve to the point where a Tesla powerwall is 5K instead of 10K, then solar becomes a much more viable option, tax credit or not.
First, if we based every home decision on ROI the residential pool industry would collapse.
Second, as battery tech continues to improve solar will because a more competitive option. My friend just spent a little less than $30,000 to replace a 12 year old whole house generator. If battery tech continues to improve to the point where a Tesla powerwall is 5K instead of 10K, then solar becomes a much more viable option, tax credit or not.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 12:24 pm to i am dan
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Who gives a shite about what the "true cost" is from an individual perspective? He paid $5k. That is what matters to this individual.
Only someone who votes Democrat could think this way.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 12:24 pm to NOLALGD
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If battery tech continues to improve to the point where a Tesla powerwall is 5K instead of 10K, then solar becomes a much more viable option, tax credit or not.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe you even need solar to charge up a powerwall
Posted on 1/29/24 at 12:30 pm to Smeg
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Only someone who votes Democrat could think this way.
And you went there.... Do you have a clue how to discuss a topic in a normal way? Have you been on message boards too long to act fricking normal?
I never said anything political. I explained the other guy's argument to you as if you were a 3rd grader so you would understand.
You lose and then just start up with juvenile shite. You act like this every time you are set straight?
This post was edited on 1/29/24 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 1/29/24 at 12:36 pm to i am dan
i am dan
It's very simple dan.
Is paying $30k for something that is only worth $10k financially sensible or a waste of money?
Let me give you a hint: it's a waste of money.
It's a waste of money if you pay all $30k yourself.
It's a waste of money if you split the cost 50/50 with someone else.
It's a waste of money if you have other taxpayers foot the entire $30k and it's zero out of pocket for you.
It's very simple dan.
Is paying $30k for something that is only worth $10k financially sensible or a waste of money?
Let me give you a hint: it's a waste of money.
It's a waste of money if you pay all $30k yourself.
It's a waste of money if you split the cost 50/50 with someone else.
It's a waste of money if you have other taxpayers foot the entire $30k and it's zero out of pocket for you.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 12:46 pm to Smeg
Dude... You keep arguing the same thing over and over.
IT'S NOT A WASTE OF MONEY TO THE PERSON WHO'S PAYING LITTLE COST AND GETTING ALL THE REWARDS.
Is that right or not? That's a different thread.
We're not talking about if it's a waste of money to tax payers. I'm not arguing that.
If I (ME AND NOBODY ELSE) paid $100 to install solar panels, and I immediately start seeing huge drops or even make money on my power bill, how should I (ME AND NOBODY ELSE) feel about how I made out on that deal?
I'm gonna feel pretty good about it. This does not take into account the subsidies that come from tax dollars. That's not part of the equation I'm talking about. I'm talking about 1 person anecdotally.
I don't think you're wrapping your head around what I'm saying..
IT'S NOT A WASTE OF MONEY TO THE PERSON WHO'S PAYING LITTLE COST AND GETTING ALL THE REWARDS.
Is that right or not? That's a different thread.
We're not talking about if it's a waste of money to tax payers. I'm not arguing that.
If I (ME AND NOBODY ELSE) paid $100 to install solar panels, and I immediately start seeing huge drops or even make money on my power bill, how should I (ME AND NOBODY ELSE) feel about how I made out on that deal?
I'm gonna feel pretty good about it. This does not take into account the subsidies that come from tax dollars. That's not part of the equation I'm talking about. I'm talking about 1 person anecdotally.
I don't think you're wrapping your head around what I'm saying..
This post was edited on 1/29/24 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 1/29/24 at 12:49 pm to Smeg
Some companies are offering farmers what appears to be decent payback to set up a solar farm on their property, but they want a 30-year agreement.
What happens if the solar company goes out of business? Who maintains the panels? Technology seldom stands still and if improvements make these panels less cost effective, will the company upgrade them or abandon them? And what happens at the end of the 30 years? Who will take them down, haul them off, and restore the land?
What happens if the solar company goes out of business? Who maintains the panels? Technology seldom stands still and if improvements make these panels less cost effective, will the company upgrade them or abandon them? And what happens at the end of the 30 years? Who will take them down, haul them off, and restore the land?
Posted on 1/29/24 at 12:49 pm to Smeg
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It's very simple dan.
Is paying $30k for something that is only worth $10k financially sensible or a waste of money?
Let me give you a hint: it's a waste of money.
It's a waste of money if you pay all $30k yourself.
It's a waste of money if you split the cost 50/50 with someone else.
It's a waste of money if you have other taxpayers foot the entire $30k and it's zero out of pocket for you.
Wow, you really don't get it
Posted on 1/29/24 at 12:51 pm to DesScorp
People should consider one 100 watt solar panel. It costs less than $200 and can power 30 amps. So a Refrigerator, TV, a window unit, and a couple of lights. Beets running that generator during outages. Any heating elements will likely trip it, so keep your propane tanks full.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 12:52 pm to el Gaucho
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You know what the worst part of having solar panels is?
Telling your parents that you’re gay
Ewww, I didn't know dad was gay... talking about solar panels like a lady.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 12:54 pm to TigerSprings
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100 watt
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can power 30 amps
That doesn't add up.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:08 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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100 watt
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can power 30 amps
That doesn't add up.
If all those things run on 3 volts it does.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:10 pm to LSU Delirium
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Power companies are also closing or severely limiting any programs that would make these more attractive. Southern Company is absolutely gutting any buy back or incentives in the southeast where we get enough sun for them to even be viable.
Care to explain for the ignorant (me)?
Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:13 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
True it doesn't, closer to 1000 watts which will not be $200. Still would be reasonable cost compared to a generator and gasoline cost. But still only for outages and bare necessities. Not a whole home.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:15 pm to SaintEB
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Care to explain for the ignorant (me)?
If you take in more solar power than you use, you can sell the extra to the utility
Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:16 pm to TigerSprings
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True it doesn't, closer to 1000 watts which will not be $200
You'd still be lucky to get those items running at 1 KW.
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Still would be reasonable cost compared to a generator and gasoline cost. But still only for outages and bare necessities. Not a whole home.
I'm not sure if you are comparing running a generator vs a solar panel for outages, but roof top solar panels cannot power anything during an outage.
Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:16 pm to bee Rye
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Care to explain for the ignorant (me)?
If you take in more solar power than you use, you can sell the extra to the utility
Yes, but that doesn't explain the statement from the poster.
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