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re: Rooftop Solar is about to collapse -Time Mag.

Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:34 pm to
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:34 pm to
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The true cost of solar panels exceed the lifetime savings on your electric bill.
They're only a good deal if someone else pays for them.


Or if you live off grid with a small electrical energy footprint in a place with a lot of sunshine.
This post was edited on 1/29/24 at 1:39 pm
Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
1595 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:35 pm to
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I'm not sure if you are comparing running a generator vs a solar panel for outages


Yes. Having an inverter on the battery to power to run up to 30amps. Night time might be a problem, IDK, but portable generators suck and standbys are $10K and you need NG to the house.
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
9518 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:37 pm to
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IT'S NOT A WASTE OF MONEY TO THE PERSON WHO'S PAYING LITTLE COST AND GETTING ALL THE REWARDS

Who cares? That's so stupid and shortsighted. Imagine if the government paid $100 for a 12 ounce can of Coke and gave it to you free. Whoopie, you have a free Coke! What a great deal!
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
20038 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:37 pm to
Posted by JoieDeVivre
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
61 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:46 pm to
Probably a good hurricane. And how dangerous would it be when strong winds pick up these panels and sends them flying around?
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
20038 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:46 pm to
Then too there are the vulnerability issues. They don't do well in hail storms or hurricanes.

Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
32672 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:50 pm to
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Ya'll love to hate on solar but mine paid for themselves in about 5 years.


So did mine, but I had $20k in government kick backs. It’s the only way it’s worth it.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
24982 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:50 pm to
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Who cares? That's so stupid and shortsighted. Imagine if the government paid $100 for a 12 ounce can of Coke and gave it to you free. Whoopie, you have a free Coke! What a great deal!


Not arguing that. I'm just glad you're finally understanding the actual discussion.

I'm proud of you.
Posted by Scuttle But
Member since Nov 2023
1301 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:52 pm to
Becuase shingles do great in hail storms.

It boggles my mind how much the OT despises any kind of technological progress.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96883 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:54 pm to
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Becuase shingles do great in hail storms.


When a case of shingles costs more than a quality solar panel, let me know.
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
9518 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:56 pm to
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Not arguing that. I'm just glad you're finally understanding the actual discussion.

If you weren't so stupid you'd realize I ceded that point in my first post, the third post in this thread.
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It's real simple.
The true cost of solar panels exceed the lifetime savings on your electric bill.
They're only a good deal if someone else pays for them.

The point is of such little value it hardly deserves mention.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12889 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:58 pm to
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now that subsidies are expiring

Well that’s not right.
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
22822 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 1:59 pm to
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It boggles my mind how much the OT despises any kind of technological progress.



This is simply not the case. Technology improves over time. Thanks to early adopters, we get to see the problems. There is no reason why we can't question the worth, performance, or issues with new stuff.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12889 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 2:00 pm to
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Probably a good hurricane. And how dangerous would it be when strong winds pick up these panels and sends them flying around?

Properly built systems don’t have any significant issues in storms. It’s depends on the installer and quality of racking.
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
9518 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 2:01 pm to
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It boggles my mind how much the OT despises any kind of technological progress.

It boggles my mind how much leftists despise any kind of cost - benefit analysis.
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
22822 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 2:03 pm to
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It boggles my mind how much leftists despise any kind of cost - benefit analysis.



We do it with literally every new piece of technology that comes out. Why are solar panels and EVs off limits?
Posted by Scuttle But
Member since Nov 2023
1301 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 2:05 pm to
Nah I don't think I will.

News flash kids, new technology is expensive then it gets cheaper and better. But I somehow always forget that the average OTer has the foresight of a toddler.

The fact is that most people here align themselves with the right and see environtalist as a leftist movement therefore we must attack the technology of solar and EVs and call it stupid. It's just childish. Fighting against subsidies and tax breaks makes sense. Assuming that Solar and EV technology will remain static is just retarded.

We on the right are supposed to value independence and self reliance. You could get Solar rooves(assuming you live in a sunny part of the country) and an EV that plugs into your home and never have to stop at a gas station and not be beholden to giving money to electric company that has a monopoly on your area. But nah man, let's stick it to the tree huggers because those bitches don't shave their armpits and we don't like them.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12889 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 2:06 pm to
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We do it with literally every new piece of technology that comes out.

We do it with mature tech. Oil and gas get incalculable subsidization, the DOE subsidized the development of the ford eco boost (how many of you baws driving doe-150s?)
This post was edited on 1/29/24 at 2:09 pm
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
9518 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 2:07 pm to
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We do it with literally every new piece of technology that comes out. Why are solar panels and EVs off limits?

They're not "off limits" - they are currently cost prohibitive. When panels last 60 years, are resistant to damage, and cost $20 each - they'll be a great deal.
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
20721 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 2:08 pm to
Sure.
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