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re: Robber shot, killed by customer at taqueria in SW Houston, police say (VIDEO IN LINK)
Posted on 1/9/23 at 7:22 am to Festus
Posted on 1/9/23 at 7:22 am to Festus
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You're wrong, and I explained why.
I'm right. The last two shots will be tough to defend. But carry on.
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So your original response to that argument was "Double not good for the shooter".
I was speaking to the optics of the situation not the legalities. Optics can lead to chaos and riots and that was my point.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 8:12 am to jclem11
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I'm right. The last two shots will be tough to defend. But carry on.
No jury would convict him.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 8:27 am to GetCocky11
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No jury would convict him.
Maybe not, but that doesn’t mean it won’t ruin his life. It’s highly likely going to trial, and that costs time and money, not to mention the stigma associated with being accused.
I know the situation is completely different, but George Zimmerman was justified (stupid, but justified) and he did not get convicted. It still ruined his life.
Rodney Peairs killed Yoshihiro Hattori and was found not guilty, but that ruined his life as well.
Again, those two cases are completely different from this one, but the bottom line is that just because you use justifiable deadly force in the eyes of the law, doesn’t mean you won’t be in for a world of hurt afterwards. And anyone that chooses to carry a gun for self defense should keep that in mind.
This post was edited on 1/9/23 at 8:29 am
Posted on 1/9/23 at 8:31 am to jclem11
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I was speaking to the optics of the situation not the legalities. Optics can lead to chaos and riots and that was my point.
Do we know the race of the robber? I don't see the white or Hispanic community being upset at a Hispanic guy shooting a robber. Some other races may though.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 8:43 am to GetCocky11
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No jury would convict him.
That does mean his life won't be fricked up.
It costs an insane amount of money to hire all the proper experts to get a good self defense if he finds himself in the defense chair.
The state does not reimburse him those expenses if he is found not guilty.
Also, what if he gets locked up with no bail for a couple years waiting for trial?
Ask Don Cummings, who was recently found not guilty in New Mexico, if his life is not ruined after his debacle.
He was in custody for a couple years waiting for his trial.
LINK - New Mexico Ski Champ found not guilty in murder trial
This post was edited on 1/9/23 at 8:47 am
Posted on 1/9/23 at 9:02 am to Areddishfish
There’s no warrant for him right? Just because the police “want to speak with you?” You defended your life, you didn’t commit a crime, you shouldn’t have to appear in court or go to a police station. Hopefully no one saw or heard anything they remember
Posted on 1/9/23 at 9:05 am to SomethingLikeA
I'm not sure what the problem is. The guy was holding people at gunpoint to rob them. The good samaritan's objective was to immobilize the threat. Who gives a shite how many times he shot to make sure that happened. He's a hero.
This post was edited on 1/9/23 at 9:06 am
Posted on 1/9/23 at 9:25 am to SomethingLikeA
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Hopefully no one saw or heard anything they remember
There is video of the shooting. Clips all over twitter and probably linked in this thread.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 9:28 am to Funky Tide 8
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I'm not sure what the problem is. The guy was holding people at gunpoint to rob them. The good samaritan's objective was to immobilize the threat. Who gives a shite how many times he shot to make sure that happened. He's a hero.
The problem is when the district attorney sees it differently. It doesn’t matter what you or I think, if they want to bring a case against him, they will.
He has no duty to talk to the police or remain at the scene. They have all the footage they need to figure out what went down… yet they still want to talk to him. Do you think that’s so they can present him with a medal?
Posted on 1/9/23 at 9:31 am to Areddishfish
The defender that neutralized the perp DGAF and his truck is proof of his baw status. Kudos to him for a well-timed armed response.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 8:57 pm to Classy Doge
LINK - Grand Jury to determine fate of shooter
Case is going to a grand jury.
Come hold this L all the 2nd amendment warriors.
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HOUSTON, Texas (KTRK) -- A grand jury will decide whether an armed taqueria customer who shot and killed a robber last week in southwest Houston will be criminally charged. Investigators said the 46-year-old customer, who police have not identified because he's not under arrest, turned himself in and is cooperating with detectives.
Case is going to a grand jury.
Come hold this L all the 2nd amendment warriors.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 9:00 pm to jclem11
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I was speaking to the optics of the situation
You can't live life worrying how pussies react.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 9:02 pm to jclem11
I know what wouldn't be going to trial if I was on that grand jury
Posted on 1/9/23 at 9:06 pm to Ingeniero
I’ve never argued the shooter should be tried but those last 2 shots make it questionable.
As we suspected the robber was a POS and won’t be missed.
As we suspected the robber was a POS and won’t be missed.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:27 pm to jclem11
This was posted on another site. I can't even...
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Watch the video closely. Prior to him shooting. You can see him reaching for his gun when the perp goes behind him, then he kind of hunches back to his left in the booth, turns away to keep his back to perp so the perp doesn't pick up on his movements to grab his gun. When the guy walks past him and has his back to him, the INSTANT that the shooter knows the perp has his back to him, he pulls and starts firing.
"so, in this video here, mr so and so, what are you doing? Are you reaching for your gun at this point?" Yes sir. "and what are your intentions?" "Im gonna waste him as soon as I get the chance."
Premeditation. "So, you were looking for the opportunity to shoot him? Did you intend to shoot him? Do you understand guns kill people? Did you know you could kill him? Did you wait those few seconds looking for an opportunity to kill him? Why didn't you draw and fire when he was behind you? Oh, not a good enough opportunity to be successful? So you formulated your plan to shoot him, you just waited a few seconds to ensure you got a good shot? Like, in the back after he was done robbing everyone? Then when he was down, you shot him two more times? Did he really threaten your life? He could have started shooting when he walked in the door, but he didn't. He waved a gun around, made it look like he could shoot, but didn't. So really, what exactly was in your mind and why did you start shooting when he was on his way back out the door already having taken everyone's money?"
Thank you, your honor. No further questions.
I see premeditation. I see someone who if they had opened fire when the guy walked IN waving a gun, would have a "feared for my life, self defense" case. But watching him tactically reach for that concealed gun, wait for his moment and start shooting the guy in the back?
He can but hope and pray he gets some people sympathetic to him, cause I can see people non sympathetic to him serving him up for a long sentence.
I have no opinion other than its a crazy world we live in and I pray I never get caught up in anything that causes me to draw a gun, let alone shoot someone. Cause that is a long road even in the best case scenario that I would rather not travel. Ever.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:35 pm to TDTOM
I haven't been keeping up. Has the guy who shot the POS been ID'd and questioned?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:09 pm to Kracka
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Has the guy who shot the POS been ID'd and questioned?
He turned himself in so I would assume so. I am sure he had an attorney present.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:32 pm to Areddishfish
I hate that the dude made a bad decision to rob a place and ended up dead, but as they say, he 'f**ked around and found out.'
Posted on 1/3/24 at 5:51 pm to WonderWartHawg
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