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re: River Pilots in Louisiana for dummies

Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:11 pm to
Posted by Sayre
Felixville
Member since Nov 2011
5503 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:11 pm to
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Just because you have a Capt license doesn’t mean you can operate a commercial vessel wherever you want


They don't have Unlimited Masters anymore?
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
146214 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:11 pm to
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So most are just related by coincidence.



You think all those Kennedy’s and Bush’s got to where they are by coincidence?

Posted by Sayre
Felixville
Member since Nov 2011
5503 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:13 pm to
We had one NOBRA pilot back in the 90s we regularly saw who was too damn cheap to pay 50 cents for a newspaper. He insisted we give it to him. That's back when they were only making 300k a year or so, poor babies.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
44874 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:17 pm to
Judging by the upvotes ITT the river boat mafia has infiltrated TD
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
146214 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:17 pm to
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They run the same stretch of river again and again and again. They can do it in their sleep


How many people can say they can run a 500’ loaded ship up and down the Mississippi River without hitting a refinery in their sleep?

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That fricker climbed the rope ladder all the way to the top rail of the ship when he had a heart attack, fell off, and hit the roof of the crew boat,


Sounds like a dangerous job for someone that has more responsibility than your job as a deckhand
Posted by KemoSabe65
70605
Member since Mar 2018
5118 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:19 pm to
You live in the chuck?
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9292 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:20 pm to
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Imagine defending an industry with a 4 year degree requirement and a year of on the job training and then justifying their pay, when they make more than most doctors and surgeons do, and they make more take home pay than a lot of doctors and surgeons make pre-tax
go look at what the degree entails. I’ll bet it’s a lot more than a business or mass com degree from any state school

Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9292 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:22 pm to
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You think all those Kennedy’s and Bush’s got to where they are by coincidence?

You think people don’t complain about dirty politics?
Posted by farad
non-entity of St George
Member since Dec 2013
9610 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:24 pm to
read it all...good info...
Posted by LSUfonte
South Texas
Member since Jan 2004
7482 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:25 pm to
Didn’t read but I know a guy that can hook you up.
Posted by lsuson
Metairie
Member since Oct 2013
12119 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:26 pm to
You have to be shifting me on the transportation. Boo fricking hoo.
Posted by Gee Grenouille
Bogalusa
Member since Jul 2018
4741 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:26 pm to
I am gonna use most of your words but change a few things:
In order to be a BCO offshore, the first step one could take is to attended an maritime academy. There are only 7 in the US. Maine Maritime Academy, Massachusetts Maritime Academy, Texas A&M at Galveston, California Maritime Academy, Great Lakes Maritime Academy, SUNY Maritime, and the US Merchant Marine Academy (a federal service academy).
You cannot become a BCO offshore without a 4 year degree from one of those schools. Also in order for you to get a degree from one of those schools you have to go through a rigorous academic course load with Coast Guard requirements, and also pass a 7 test CG exam where most of the tests require a 90% to pass.
but BCOs offshore also have a job that can be dangerous at times and could destroy Louisiana’s ecosystem and potentially shut down the river and the GoM which would have a significant impact on Louisiana’s economy.
Let’s just say that there was a BCO on board and they screwed up and missed an alarm in the shaker house. Now you have a loss of well containment carrying roughly 150,000 tons of oil dumping its cargo into the GoM. Just think about how that would shutdown the river and the GOM and cause devastating damage to the environment.


I could keep doing this but you get the point. A BCO makes 150-200k, and generally flies himself back and forth to the north east because that's where the maritime academies are. I have said for years that La needs a maritime academy, but your lobbyist will never let that happen.
Posted by Sayre
Felixville
Member since Nov 2011
5503 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:27 pm to
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How many people can say they can run a 500’ loaded ship up and down the Mississippi River without hitting a refinery in their sleep?



Anybody that's been down that same stretch of river enough times. It's not brain surgery.


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Sounds like a dangerous job for someone that has more responsibility than your job as a deckhand



In all my time on the river, that's the only instance I ever heard of something like that. Sounds like that old fricker should have retired.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37423 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:33 pm to
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After you get voted in you do not start making the big bucks. In order to do that, you have to buy into the association. Think of this as doctors or lawyers buying into a practice. It’s basically the same situation.


No, it’s not at all like that.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37423 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:41 pm to
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How many people can say they can run a 500’ loaded ship up and down the Mississippi River without hitting a refinery in their sleep?


If they opened it up it would be a lot lore than the 120 or so licensed ones we currently have
Posted by Captain Crackysack
Member since Oct 2017
2231 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:42 pm to
Nope. Nola
Posted by Athanatos
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
8141 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:42 pm to
If you hold a license for Any Gross Tons Oceans, yeah, you can pretty much sail anything and anywhere, except of course where a compulsory pilot is required.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
24951 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:45 pm to
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You cannot join an association without a 4 year degree from one of those schools.


This is 100% false. I know two pilots personally and neither one attended any of those schools.

The rest of what you say is pretty accurate, except that I've asked both the pilots I know if an "outsider" can become a pilot and they both said it wouldn't happen bc the guild will protect the spots for their own kids.

No one is arguing it's not an important job, it is, but there isn't a single damn reason it needs to be such an exclusive club that has complete say over who's allowed in and who isn't.

They'd be SOL if the State were to decide it's tired of being fleeced by these guys for more money every year, so it changes the model and these guys are out.

The problem isn't the profession; the problem is the crooked way it's setup and the exorbitant dime they demand.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
146214 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:48 pm to
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If you hold a license for Any Gross Tons Oceans, yeah, you can pretty much sail anything and anywhere, except of course where a compulsory pilot is required.



I’m just saying there are restrictions for inland waterways
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
10514 posts
Posted on 7/31/20 at 6:50 pm to
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it's the combination of these jobs only being allowed to go to family/friends and the salaries that make people upset




That and the whole response tone of:

“yeah, back in the 70s there was dis boat that go piyyyaaaa. So yeah, it dangerous baw. The end. Questions?”
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