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re: Ripple Effect of Driverless Cars

Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:55 pm to
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:55 pm to
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If you need to rush someone to the hospital, I doubt you'll sit back and let the car ferry you around at 35 mph.



Sure that would be an issue that would crop up, but imagine going the speed limit with effectively no traffic and much fewer stop signs/lights.

You'd probably get to the hospital/work/etc just as fast as you would if you were speeding around, but still stopping at red lights and dodging traffic.
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:59 pm to
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If you need to rush someone to the hospital, I doubt you'll sit back and let the car ferry you around at 35 mph.



If it got to the point where every car on the road was automated, then it would take you to your destination in the fastest manner possible regardless of your urgency. A manual override wouldn't get you there any quicker and would only slow you down and put you and others in danger.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 3:01 pm to
Imagine in 20 years when a terrorist attack consists of hacking cars computer systems and causing cars to crash into each other all across the country at high speeds.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 3:06 pm to
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Commuter flights under 4 hours will probably cease to exist given the time it takes to check in and such.
Good thought though I'd say no more than 2 hours, or even 1 hour, right?

4 hour flight is the equivalent of what, 25 hours drive team or so?
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 3:08 pm to
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If it got to the point where every car on the road was automated, then it would take you to your destination in the fastest manner possible regardless of your urgency.
Not really. If the automated car is driving at the speed limit of 35mph for 10 straight minutes on a stretch of road with no lights and little traffic, it's only the fastest automated manner possible. Not the fastest actual way possible.

Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 3:19 pm to
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Not really. If the automated car is driving at the speed limit of 35mph for 10 straight minutes on a stretch of road with no lights and little traffic, it's only the fastest automated manner possible. Not the fastest actual way possible.



Speed limits will likely be raised significantly nationwide if human error is removed from the equation.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 3:21 pm to
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Good thought though I'd say no more than 2 hours, or even 1 hour, right?

4 hour flight is the equivalent of what, 25 hours drive team or so?


Exactly. 1 hour in the air could be a 4 hour drive. I see what people are saying about getting to the airport an hour or two early and all that. But I think anything over and hour or two flight won't have much change.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 3:24 pm to
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Yes, but why would an automated car full of drunks get pulled over?


DUI checkpoint?

Cops just pull people over for bullshite at night to check for drunks?

Not everyone who gets a DUI is pulled over for a violation. I have been pulled over several times at night for no reason because cops thought they'd catch a drunk college kid.
Posted by MrSpock
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 3:24 pm to
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Good thought though I'd say no more than 2 hours, or even 1 hour, right?

4 hour flight is the equivalent of what, 25 hours drive team or so?


I'm dumb. That's what I meant to say. Basically any flight equivalent to a 4 hour drive.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 3:25 pm to
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Imagine in 20 years when a terrorist attack consists of hacking cars computer systems and causing cars to crash into each other all across the country at high speeds.



You know that airplanes are pretty much completely flown by computers these days right?
Posted by Larry
Collierville, TN
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 3:28 pm to
From a litigation standpoint it would definitely change things up. Instead of negligence actions they'd have to be products liability actions.
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 3:29 pm to
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From a litigation standpoint it would definitely change things up. Instead of negligence actions they'd have to be products liability actions.


I fell asleep three times reading these two sentences.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
175703 posts
Posted on 12/4/15 at 3:31 pm to
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They'd still need insurance. Machines aren't perfect and there would be times when you'd have to take over for the car.

But would the insurance be based on your driving history? Seems like it shouldn't be. And the at fault party would be the car manufacturer would it not?
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 3:31 pm to
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No more wrecks in the morning caused my women putting on makeup while they drive


This. I got a huge scare on I-10 a few days ago because of that. I was able to avoid the collision but I dropped my electric razor in my coffee.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 3:33 pm to
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DUI checkpoint?

Cops just pull people over for bullshite at night to check for drunks?

Not everyone who gets a DUI is pulled over for a violation. I have been pulled over several times at night for no reason because cops thought they'd catch a drunk college kid.


Yes of course they could get caught by a checkpoint, but don't you think checkpoints would be fewer and fewer once traffic/drunk driving related accidents falls to almost 0?

The money spent to operate checkpoints would be so much more than whatever revenue generated from catching the handful of drunks.


As far as pulling people over randomly, I feel like most of the go to bullshite probable cause justifications for pulling someone over go out the window.

No more "you swerve, you didn't come to a full stop, you didn't use your blinker, you failed to maintain your lane, etc..." It's easy for a cop to make that shite up and justify a stop because he was bored or fishing for a DUI today. None of that could be used against an automated car.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 3:38 pm to
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Speed limits will likely be raised significantly nationwide if human error is removed from the equation.


City speed limits could not be raised too much as you still have dumb pedestrians.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 12/4/15 at 3:39 pm to
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Speed limits will likely be raised significantly nationwide if human error is removed from the equation.
Good call, can we start this tomorrow?
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 3:42 pm to
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City speed limits could not be raised too much as you still have dumb pedestrians.



True, but I'd still wager that speeding, dodging around traffic, and getting caught at red lights will be overall slower than automated car that travels the speed limit while rarely/never slowing down or stopping.
Posted by Jyrdis
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 3:43 pm to
What happens when the computer software, the road software, etc get hacked or something else fails and 1000s die in one giant wreck along any major interstate?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 12/4/15 at 3:43 pm to
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But would the insurance be based on your driving history? Seems like it shouldn't be. And the at fault party would be the car manufacturer would it not?
Right. If we're playing the hypothetical correctly, we're talking a car accident being an extreme rarity, maybe only a handful a year in all of America.

Plus, if we're also taking away the manual override option, it creates a situation where the consumer owns the car, but I feel like it would still be the car manufacturere's responsibility to insure it and pay for damages, right? Which means automobile prices going up substantially I'd guess.

Or I'm guessing car ownership goes away and you basically just rent them?
This post was edited on 12/4/15 at 3:44 pm
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