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re: Revolver for home defense

Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:25 am to
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
18801 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:25 am to
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So you are not asserting here that he uses the .38 because it's what he's most comfortable with? What else did you mean?


I suggested a .357 Mag, my only post directly to the OP. You have some severe problems if you imagine I asserted anything else. But you are what you are...


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Where did I say I would?


You are the one that said I needed to learn something here. Laughable considering the source.


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Your claim that you'd bet I think pumping a shotgun is a solid means of warding off intruders?


You've parroted a lot of the usual "common knowledge" myths, so why not that one?


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Do I need to walk you through the invalidity of that conclusion?


You can't because the issue is that you still missed the point being made there; addressing your parroting of the always-popular-but-mostly-discredited talking points on this topic. The point was telling you to think deeper but ya didn't get it.
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
17097 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:51 am to
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I suggested a .357 Mag, my only post directly to the OP. You have some severe problems if you imagine I asserted anything else. But you are what you are...


Really? So not your direct response to me? You even quoted the exact part of my post that you were responding to. So I think your implication could, by all standards of rational discussion, be interpreted exactly as I interpreted them. And you still have not indicated otherwise except to say that I should have seen your response to a different post and somehow applied it there. Never heard that explanation before.

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You are the one that said I needed to learn something here. Laughable considering the source.


Let's try this now for a second time. No, I didn't. I've already explained this but apparently you want to hang onto that strawman to justify your neurotic responses and hypocritical attitude.

I don't doubt that you know plenty about guns and shooting that I don't. I'm not sure why you have this hyperdefensive attitude where you've deduced that I think otherwise.

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You've parroted a lot of the usual "common knowledge" myths, so why not that one?


Right, so you refuse to make even the most sensible concessions about your own remarks here. Something you would expect from a neurotic mind.

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You can't because the issue is that you still missed the point being made there; addressing your parroting of the always-popular-but-mostly-discredited talking points on this topic. The point was telling you to think deeper but ya didn't get it.




The previous comment takes care of this one too.

Have a good one man. Don't shoot your dog tonight.
This post was edited on 4/29/19 at 1:58 am
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
29978 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 2:48 am to
There has always been a conflation of stopping power and knock down power, the latter really only exists for a man-sized target in rifle calibers nobody would use for close range home defense. I have always viewed stopping power as the ability to quickly render the BG combat ineffective. Honestly, though that is neither here nor there because the key to picking the correct home defense weapon is picking the gun/round you are most capable of placing accurate shots with. If that is a .380 so be it, that will do a lot more to prevent the BG from advancing their plan than 2 mags worth of 10mm holes in your bedroom walls.

A shotgun has been mentioned many times and I have one as my primary home defense weapon but my situation allows a shell in the chamber so the only gun-related sound I need before the shot is the tiny click of the safety. If you do use a shotgun you need to put some rounds through it. I know people who buy them put them under the bed and never fire them. The first time you fire a bird head or pistol grip 12ga with a 3" shell it will be an "experience". I have literally seen them fly out of a grown man's hands. You will also want some low light sighting ability but you probably want that with any home defense weapon.

Use what you are comfortable with and not at the edge of your comfort zone either because woken up from a deep sleep you aren't going to be effective as when you are at the range at 6pm. If one is truly serious about home defense and think you are at a higher risk than average get a large dog. I have two Ridgebacks and the chance of an intruder crossing the threshold with two dogs saying hello in voices that bay lions is highly unlikely.

The reality is unless the intruder is there to kidnap you for ransom or you are known to keep large sums of cash and you do not box them in the VAST majority of the time they will retreat when met with any level of force.
Posted by CptRusty
Basket of Deplorables
Member since Aug 2011
11740 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 5:22 am to
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would like to hear what the OT would recommend as far as home defense revolvers go...what would you recommend?


Glock 19 or 17, with a light attached.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
70881 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 5:27 am to
7 shot GP100 is my choice.

Posted by dakarx
Member since Sep 2018
8125 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:36 am to
#1 - if your LCP jams, fix it or replace it, an unreliable firearm is dangerous. I've got one that has never failed. Specifially purchased to carry in a belly band when bike riding.

#2 - absolutely nothing wrong with a revolver, as long as whomever might use it is comfortable, familiar, and well practiced. Load it up with frangible lower velocity rounds, and get some range time with them!

#3 - Any reliable firearm is better than none when you need it.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27565 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:43 am to
A revolver can sit in a drawer for 30 years. Pull the trigger, it will go “pew”.

An intelligent argument against a shotgun can’t really be made though.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
Yankees Fan
Member since Apr 2012
17599 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:44 am to
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That's why I want a shotgun. At 3am, anyone in the room where the firearm is used will suddenly be deaf and blind. It's like a flashbang going off. With a shotgun, there's less chance that first round's going to miss. The ability to tailor the loadout to lessen the risk of overpenetration is an added bonus.


Forgive my ignorance I've never owned a shotgun and do not know how to "care" for one.

From what I was told, you aren't supposed to keep a shell chambered in a shotgun as it can be prone to firing if dropped or knocked against something. Is that true? Wouldn't that make it somewhat of a liability?

I want a weapon that is "standing at the ready" when the time comes to use it. Precious seconds can mean life or death.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43031 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:00 am to
Mt suggestion is an auto-loading tactical shotgun (Benelli M4 or Mossberg 930). You're gonna need to take some low-light shotgun home defense classes with that. If you don't know what you are doing, a perp will just grab your barrel. I'd also suggest a full-sized pistol of whatever caliber you choose. I use 9mm, but anything larger would also work. Take home defense classes for that if you go that route.

I would not suggest a revolver for self or home defense. If you miss me with your five or six shots, you are fricked. Don't think that revolvers are any more reliable that semi-autos. Plenty of people shoot semi-autos 10k+ rounds with no problems


Eta: Whatever you, please don't get a dumb arse laser sight. Real life isn't TV
This post was edited on 4/29/19 at 9:12 am
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
41694 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:09 am to
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DAO triggers are straight garbage IMO


Yea, but my trigger can cock the gun...if for whatever reason something prevents it from firing the first time (the web of someone’s thumb to forefinger in the case of Michael Brown). I can utilize the bobbed hammer as a safety of sorts for unholstering so I don’t get Glock leg, and it’s ultimately very customizable...I doubt the reduced reset match triggers would be complained about by BP...but that defeats one of the only safety features of the gun, the stiff-arse trigger.
This post was edited on 4/29/19 at 9:14 am
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
52922 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:12 am to
Any of you baws have a FN 509? I've been considering purchasing one.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:13 am to
Get an assault shotgun with banana clips
Posted by Cump11b
Member since Sep 2018
2026 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:14 am to
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There is a reason the military is moving away from this round.


No we aren't.


Yes, the military, specifically the Army. is.

LINK
Posted by Cump11b
Member since Sep 2018
2026 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:27 am to
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You are clueless kid.

Why stopping power is a myth.

Stopping power is a myth...mostly.


You're an idiot and cannot read. I never said a .223 round doesn't produce any trauma, I said it doesn't compare to the trauma produced from shooting someone with a 00 buckshot.

Additionally, due to the velocity of that round, you have to be very mindful of where a .223 round will go when it exits the body, and if you are using a round which will completely fragment upon impact, then you might as well use a pistol.

Shot placement is the most important factor in shooting any target, however the margin for error is much less using a shotgun for someone who is shaking due to adrenaline.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Member since Jan 2011
70881 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:27 am to
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stopping power


Cannot be attained from a reasonably controllable handgun. Stopping power is a 12 ga shotgun with buckshot or a .308 rifle.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43031 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 9:56 am to
I've seen a lot of videos, and unless they're on drugs, people stop when they get shot by anything. Most of the shots aren't gonna straight drop someone. They normally run away and go die somewhere else. That's ideal, because it's less mess to clean up in your crib. I'm not trying to patch hepatitis sheetrock
Posted by Muff
The dirty south.
Member since Oct 2014
548 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 10:21 am to
my lcp never jammed on me. probably 250+ hundred rounds put through it.

i hated that gun (no fun to shoot) and gave it to a friend who was unarmed.



Posted by Pepperidge
Slidell
Member since Apr 2011
4378 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 10:24 am to
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Kicks like a mule...


not really...and you don't have to use .357...a .38spl defense load will work just as well

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has a lot of muzzle rise...


see above

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don't get this one unless you only need one shot as it is going to take an eternity for an accurate follow up shot.


depends what you consider an eternity

I can place 6 shots at three different targets(2ea.) (center 5yds...then Right 10yds. and back to a left target at 15yds. in just under 5 seconds in the kill zone (8,9 10 ring) of standard sized B27 silhouette targets easily with an out of box Ruger GP100 4" barrel from a draw position.

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Shotgun is your best bet man. I'd recommend a Mossberg 500 with the 20" barrel.


why not an older Rem 870 with 18-1/2" barrel then?
Posted by Geecubed
The Eventual St. George
Member since Apr 2011
425 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 10:37 am to
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The Judge


That and it's not even close. And add an assault shotgun.
Posted by Pete Sapigh
Member since Mar 2018
25 posts
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:24 pm to
Use what your most accurate with. Anything you shoot (including birdshot) will penetrate at least 2 walls. Shot placement is the key to making sure you don't hit another family member through the wall if you miss.
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