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re: Reuters has a front page story on the EBR Parish Prison up this morning.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:44 am to magildachunks
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:44 am to magildachunks
quote:well there comes the issue of having people in society that need pills to keep them sane. That's not a good thing.
Imagine if you needed your psych pills and had to wait two months to see the person who could get them for you.
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:49 am to CarRamrod
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well there comes the issue of having people in society that need pills to keep them sane. That's not a good thing.
What are you going to do with these tens of millions of people? Most of whom do perfectly fine as long as they can have access to their meds.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:50 am to LSUTigersVCURams
Mental Health issues in the Criminal Justice system is a probelm everywhere, even in the best state systems. However Louisiana has the worst run CJ system in the country. So like most things in Louisiana, this problem is heading for a huge tipping point. And they are doing nothing about it, except sitting around and blaming a past governor. The Louisiana way.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:52 am to mikelbr
Yes we did. It was voted down.
Voters are saying enough is enough.
Between the state raising sakes taxes, and the parish raising taxes for COA, and the new CATS tax along with the healthy taxes collected by BREC and the Library folks are getting tapped out.
Voters are saying enough is enough.
Between the state raising sakes taxes, and the parish raising taxes for COA, and the new CATS tax along with the healthy taxes collected by BREC and the Library folks are getting tapped out.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:52 am to LSUTigersVCURams
I once got a private tour of the basement at East La St Hosp....You can see the shackle marks on the walls where they chained the crazies....Back then 1950's & 1940's, if you had a little stroke and you didn't like a family member, you could have them committed as a crazy.
Nowadays, all the crazies live among us.
Nowadays, all the crazies live among us.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:55 am to magildachunks
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Lucky you.
Took me two months just to see the doc.
Jesus, how many of you bums have been in prison?
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:56 am to adamb2151
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Classic BR
To be fair, I think the proposed tax was at least once packaged with the Kipa Audubon alive project which was its downfall.
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 8:56 am
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:03 am to titmouse
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To be fair, I think the proposed tax was at least once packaged with the Kipa Audubon alive project which was its downfall.
No, the one that made it to the public was a stand alone tax in Dec. 2016. Only 1.5-mill, 2/3 of the tax that we're paying the Council on Aging.
At one point taxes for an entirely new parish prison were attached to one of Kip's big bond proposals. That might have included some upgrades to the mental health situation there.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:05 am to adamb2151
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Mental Health issues in the Criminal Justice system is a probelm everywhere, even in the best state systems. However Louisiana has the worst run CJ system in the country. So like most things in Louisiana, this problem is heading for a huge tipping point. And they are doing nothing about it, except sitting around and blaming a past governor. The Louisiana way.
True. Good post.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:06 am to LSUBoo
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the one that made it to the public was a stand alone tax in Dec. 2016. Only 1.5-mill, 2/3 of the tax that we're paying the Council on Aging.
Wow. Now THAT is depressing.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:15 am to LSUBoo
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At one point taxes for an entirely new parish prison were attached to one of Kip's big bond proposals. That might have included some upgrades to the mental health situation there
Right. It did.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:22 am to CarRamrod
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well there comes the issue of having people in society that need pills to keep them sane. That's not a good thing.
There also comes the issue with people getting cancer and needing treatment, but you don't see them getting thrown in jail. The world would be better off without illness. No shite. That's a meaningless platitude.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:37 am to Peazey
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There also comes the issue with people getting cancer and needing treatment, but you don't see them getting thrown in jail. The world would be better off without illness. No shite. That's a meaningless platitude
This is a terrible comparison
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:38 am to Hammertime
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Mental health is a big issue that people like to sweep under the rug. It's an unfortunate part of society, and politicians don't want to deal with it
It seems like most people get overly concerned with a single issue or two, such as abortion, gun control, etc. that they feel strongly about and let the singular focus drive their voting decisions rather than think about things like mental health. As a result, politicians pander to those issues. Perfect example, look at the how the legislature has been concerned with things like the school prayer bill, and the "in God we trust" motto in schools. Rather than worry about very real issues, they been concerned with pandering by showing themselves to be good Christians rather than trying to address real world problems. Until the electorate moves past these types of issues and demands solutions to real problems, politicians will keep not giving a shite. To be clear, I'm not trying to take a swipe at any particular side, they all do it.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:46 am to magildachunks
Saying that the world would be a better place without problems is not a contribution to conversation or a statement of a stance. It is a diverting cop out. I don't see how you can't get that.
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 9:47 am
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:51 am to LSUBoo
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No, the one that made it to the public was a stand alone tax in Dec. 2016. Only 1.5-mill, 2/3 of the tax that we're paying the Council on Aging.
Well b/c i have to pay taxes for COA, and the Library, and CATS, i'm not going to vote to pay for pretty much anything else, until those stupid taxes go away, but that's not going to happen. I have zero faith in how my tax money is spent in EBR, so i will pretty much always vote no for any tax that comes out of my pocket.
The idiots of EBR voted yes for the library tax a year or two ago, but no for some tax that was going to be funded by an extra hotel tax. Absolutely moronic. If Books a Million can't stay in business, then we shouldn't have public libraries. There are libraries at every school in this country. Why an adult needs to go to a library is beyond me. if you can't buy a book on Amazon as an adult, then oh fricking well.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:55 am to LSUTigersVCURams
Here is my beef with the way EBR works these deals.
I will use the COA here as an example.
Voters passed a new millage that was estimated to bring in 7.8 million each year. When it passed the parish quit paying 877 thousand from the general fund to support the COA.
I see two issues here. First the CP a lot of control over this agency and our tax dollars since the COA doesn't have to come to them for funding.
Second, the 877K. Where did it go?
We know where. To special projects like bike paths, consultants, and not offset the taxes we currently pay.
Currently the sheriff pays for care for the mentally ill in his keep. What would he do with the money he has? Yes keep it.
Creating another independent entity similar to all the others is a recipe for disaster. We repeatedly do it and wind up with bloated agencies and libraries we don't need.
I will use the COA here as an example.
Voters passed a new millage that was estimated to bring in 7.8 million each year. When it passed the parish quit paying 877 thousand from the general fund to support the COA.
I see two issues here. First the CP a lot of control over this agency and our tax dollars since the COA doesn't have to come to them for funding.
Second, the 877K. Where did it go?
We know where. To special projects like bike paths, consultants, and not offset the taxes we currently pay.
Currently the sheriff pays for care for the mentally ill in his keep. What would he do with the money he has? Yes keep it.
Creating another independent entity similar to all the others is a recipe for disaster. We repeatedly do it and wind up with bloated agencies and libraries we don't need.
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 9:57 am
Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:58 am to Tiger in NY
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Our culture still has people thinking of mental illness as just some weakness that someone has. We need to start changing the overall stigma around mental health issues.
Plenty on this very board.
"Just get some exercise."
"You just need a hobby to keep you busy."
Posted on 5/31/18 at 10:05 am to doubleb
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Yes we did. It was voted down.
Voters are saying enough is enough.
Between the state raising sakes taxes, and the parish raising taxes for COA, and the new CATS tax along with the healthy taxes collected by BREC and the Library folks are getting tapped out.
How much would it really cost to help these people try to become honest members of society, versus paying for 20 trips to jail/food/etc. Until they eventually die in prison. One or two rehab stays would seemingly be much cheaper for all of us.
Posted on 5/31/18 at 10:11 am to TeddyPadillac
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The idiots of EBR voted yes for the library tax a year or two ago, but no for some tax that was going to be funded by an extra hotel tax. Absolutely moronic.
That one did pass on the next try, at least. But yeah, it was moronic that it didn't pass the first time.
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