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re: Report: Louisiana too quick to toss troubled, especially black students
Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they're essentially arguing that since these are kids, they lack much individual agency. therefore, we have to look to larger issues that cause their behavioral issues. it's much easier for these people to make sweeping arguments about institutions, especially government, because the solution will be more money...for government to "fix" the problem
There's not a lot government can do to "fix" the real issue... especially not in a time period that's measured smaller than generations. The government could do things that essentially foster moral training but those take decades to happen.
Look... I'm all about reducing referrals to A-Schools. A kid that goes to an A-School is probably screwed and may never recover. That leads to a kid who we are all going to end up paying for.
But to say "don't refer kids" isn't a solution either. And I'm not even sure this is a money thing honestly. It doesn't take more government money for a school to not suspend a kid... if anything the A-schools are more expensive to run.
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Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:02 pm to shawnlsu
quote:quote:FIFY and no there isn't
Is there anywhere or anyplace in this country that blacks aren't avoiding working for the short end of the stick while demanding to live like a 1%er?
Leave the ghetto of lousiana and you'll see different things.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:03 pm to SPEEDY
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alternative schools need "cultural awareness training to assist in remedying disproportionate referrals for certain student populations,"
Yea in no way possible is it the student's fault.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:04 pm to TH03
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Leave the ghetto of lousiana and you'll see different things.
Leave the ghetto and this isn't a problem, either.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:04 pm to LSUFanHouston
Is there no interim situation where they can just put the problem kids in a room away from the rest of the class they're disrupting without sending them to A-school?
Those kids aren't going to learn anyway, so take them out of the learning process altogether and most importantly get their influence and disruption out of the classroom to benefit the others still there.
Those kids aren't going to learn anyway, so take them out of the learning process altogether and most importantly get their influence and disruption out of the classroom to benefit the others still there.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:09 pm to ProjectP2294
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Is there no interim situation where they can just put the problem kids in a room away from the rest of the class they're disrupting without sending them to A-school?
In-School Suspension... or ISS. But that's very short term... no more than 10 days.
Plus you have to have someone there to teach the kids. The whole financial idea between an A-school is that you can have one per district. You can get away with 8-10 teachers for the whole district, instead of 1-2 teachers per school.
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Those kids aren't going to learn anyway, so take them out of the learning process altogether
So just put them in a room with a tv and a movie player? Educators want to educate students until they are no longer able. I think that's a good thing. But it means that kids often get too many chances and never figure it out and it was all a waste of time and resources.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:15 pm to SPEEDY
You want to see something disgusting, go check out how much money Louisiana spends on education. It's under HB 1
Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:17 pm to SPEEDY
Always blame the system, not the dumbasses who get kicked out of school.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:20 pm to ProjectP2294
This particular issue is a bit more complicated than "bad" and "good" kids and as much as a tremendous amount of blame falls on parents, the state of Louisiana and also the federal government are responsible for the sad state affairs of mental healthcare.
Even for caring, well educated parents from stable family structures, it is extremely difficult to get help in diagnosing and properly treating children with mental illnesses and many of the kids you are talking about in this thread have them.
And when those parent's do get the diagnosis and support from the medical community, the school system's here aren't even close to being prepared to meet some of these kids educational needs.
Even for caring, well educated parents from stable family structures, it is extremely difficult to get help in diagnosing and properly treating children with mental illnesses and many of the kids you are talking about in this thread have them.
And when those parent's do get the diagnosis and support from the medical community, the school system's here aren't even close to being prepared to meet some of these kids educational needs.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:20 pm to LSUFanHouston
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So just put them in a room with a tv and a movie player?
I mean, they can give them assignments, but what good would it do? Essentially there needs to be a way to let the teachers focus their work on the kids they can actually reach. And the only way to do that is to find a way to remove the ones that refuse to cooperate.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:21 pm to TaderSalad
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You want to see something disgusting, go check out how much money Louisiana spends on education. It's under HB 1
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LA spends LESS than the national average per pupil.
It's thrown off a bit here because of Huey Long's legacy, most of the spending is in the state budget. In most other states... the spending is more split between state and local governments. Of course... those states generally have better results than us.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:22 pm to ProjectP2294
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Essentially there needs to be a way to let the teachers focus their work on the kids they can actually reach. And the only way to do that is to find a way to remove the ones that refuse to cooperate.
Which is what the A-school does. It basically ghettos the kids together and allows the vast majority of kids to be in a functioning classroom without the troublemakers.
The problem isn't the A-School nor is it the referral to it.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:24 pm to ProjectP2294
Why can't we make the bad kids mow the grass and whatnot? They might use that teaching one day
Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:27 pm to el Gaucho
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Why can't we make the bad kids mow the grass and whatnot? They might use that teaching one day
You mean like shop class and trade skills in HS, like we used to do?
That would require school administrators and polticians to get off the canard that every student needs to go to a 4 year college.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:44 pm to CoachChappy
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Too many resources are expended on G & T/magnet Programs
WAT
G&T and honors kids should get the most resources and be pushed the hardest.
This. Weakening the strong is a good way to kill societal improvement.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:55 pm to TH03
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Leave the ghetto of lousiana and you'll see different things.
I have and I'll admit it was somewhat better but not much.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 1:07 pm to shawnlsu
The sad part about this report is that it paints the issue as one of race. EBR catholic schools have a much stricter code of conduct for their students than public schools. Kids get disciplined , suspended and dismissed from these schools every year for conduct that would not even get you sent to the principals office at a public school. At the end of the day race has nothing to do with parenting and teaching a child personal responsibility.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 1:09 pm to LSUFanHouston
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So just put them in a room with a tv and a movie player? Educators want to educate students until they are no longer able. I think that's a good thing. But it means that kids often get too many chances and never figure it out and it was all a waste of time and resources.
This doesn't work for a couple of reason. Kids will learn all I have to do is get in trouble and I get to go have movie time all day. Destroys classroom functions for kids that normally attempt to not cause problems. Also, those kids would still be on campus and disrupt school in ways outside of the classroom and influence swing kids to disrupt school as well.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 1:17 pm to SPEEDY
Those who cause the most trouble, get kicked out of school the most. NO shite?????????
Posted on 10/23/17 at 1:18 pm to ProjectP2294
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One could argue they aren't quick enough
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