re: “Renters don’t pay property taxes”

Everyone is against socialism and taxes. Until it comes to their little bailiwick.

Road? Bridges? Schools? Police? Fire protection? Health units? All socialism.

I’m certainly against fraud and waste and corruption but anti-tax dickheads aren’t paying nearly as much as most of us.

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You pay taxes when you buy the land. That should be it. It's absurd some people who have long since paid off their house can have their property tax bill doubled any random year. It's a lifetime tax.

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For a lifetime of services.


Under your proposal, fewer and fewer people would bear the tax burden in your community as time went on.

Why should a new homeowner subsidize the services provided to their neighbor who hasn’t paid property taxes in the last 25 years?

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Nice pivot. You went from “renters pay property taxes” to “property taxes influence rent.” Those aren’t the same argument.

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Of course they are

At best… in a few situations, the landlord might not charge enough for the full burden

In such cases, seems like it’s a bad investment. Maybe they should sell.

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Property tax goes up, rent goes up

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Not according to bad businessman Stout

You’re proving my point without realizing it.

You went from “renters pay property taxes” to “landlords try to recover property taxes through rent.”

Those are two different statements.

If a landlord can’t recover all of his costs, that’s called investment risk. Every business has it. It still doesn’t transfer the legal tax bill from the owner to the customer.


eta: by your logic, customers pay commercial property taxes, payroll taxes, workers’ comp, insurance premiums, landscaping bills, electric bills, and the owner’s truck payment because businesses price all of those into what they sell.

At that point, words just stop meaning anything.

maybe not directly, but it is a factor into setting the renting price and the discussion of whether to have a rental property or not.

any smart investor will look at the cost vs the income to determine what to set the rental price at. and if the cost of renting the property becomes too high verses what the market will pay, then they will get out of the rental market.

as less rentals appears on the market, then the cost of rentals will go up absorbing the extra property taxes.

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eta: by your logic, customers pay commercial property taxes, payroll taxes, workers’ comp, insurance premiums, landscaping bills, electric bills, and the owner’s truck payment because businesses price all of those into what they sell.

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Seems logical to me. Unless the business has a 2nd business specifically just to pay all those things then yes the income from the business's customers are paying for all these things. Am I missing the gotcha moment?

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rent is cheaper, than a house note plus property taxes, plus insurance.

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Is this a troll?

How can the rent be cheaper than the mortgage of the actual house? If a landlord does not implement all those things into the rent, costing himself money, what the frick would be the point of owning a rent house in the first place?


The goal of owning a rent house is for some sort of income. Why own something you're not using if it only costs you money with nothing to gain?

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The missing distinction: funding a business isn’t the same thing as being legally responsible for its expenses.

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You're just playing with word salad semantics. Someone gives their kid $20 a week to buy lunch. Does this person pay for their kids lunch or just provided the revenue necessary for them to buy lunch?

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How can the rent be cheaper than the mortgage of the actual house? If a landlord does not implement all those things into the rent, costing himself money, what the frick would be the point of owning a rent house in the first place?

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If life happens and owner ends up with two house notes. The owner may be willing to accept rent that is cashflow neutral or barely cashflow positive. A few maintenance events, increase in property taxes, etc could put them in a cash flow negative situation.

Obviously, not ideal but probably happens more than you would believe. Kind of like betting, people only brag about their good investments (wins) no one talks about the times when they lose their arse.