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re: Remember the Public Defender that got caught lying about being a lawyer?

Posted on 8/26/19 at 7:02 pm to
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 7:02 pm to
I'd like to know how many cases she won. And what the prosecutor who lost must be thinking.
This post was edited on 8/26/19 at 9:37 pm
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 7:16 pm to
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Pretty sure Louisiana needs an 80, which is the lowest possible score of any of the 50 states.


I am not sure what it is now but when I took the GA, SC and NC bar exams in 92 GA required a 75, SC a 77 and NC an 80 on the MPRE. At the time I think 75 was the lowest of any state but multiple states required 75.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 7:19 pm to
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and Louisiana requires a higher score to “pass” than does nearly all other states.


Yea, that’s not true.
Posted by AbitaFan08
Boston, MA
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 7:19 pm to
Utah is the highest with an 86. MA requires an 85.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 7:54 pm to
Most states need a 75
Posted by Dragoon
Member since Jul 2019
112 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 8:06 pm to
Not exactly, but a quick Google search tells me 28/50 need an 80 or lower.
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 8:09 pm to
I feel really bad for this chick. This whole thing is pretty petty in the overall scheme of things.

Look at Bill Magee, or Walter Reed... Magee flat-out stole houses and he didn't go to jail. I'm not even sure he was disbarred.
Posted by Dragoon
Member since Jul 2019
112 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 8:20 pm to
Yea but this woman wasn’t even barred in the first place.

How inept is the city of NOLA to let this happen? All her cases now have to be retried.
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 8:49 pm to
Yet another successful Loyola grad
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
74014 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 2:13 am to
The ethics portion of the bar is a joke. Almost every question is common sense. I might have studied an hour for it. I have no idea how anyone fails it, much less twice.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
74014 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 2:14 am to
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How did she take the Bar without first passing the MPRE to begin with?

You don’t have to have passed the MPRE to sit for the bar. I know quite a few who took the MPRE after, although I took it during my last semester of law school.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/27/19 at 3:34 am to
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I feel really bad for this chick. This whole thing is pretty petty in the overall scheme of things.


In some ways petty and some ways not.

The petty is the MPRE is so damn easy compared to the jurisdictional drafted exam (LA is the only state to not require the multistate bar exam aka MBE) and is pretty much an afterthought for most law students, nobody really loses sleep over taking it.

Not so petty in that she falsified good standing documents and used someone elses bar number.

I at least could understand the motivation if she couldn't pass the bar but you could teach the average HS grad enough to pass the MPRE in a couple of weeks. I would love to know her actual thought process on this as you would think she would "know" she would be caught at some point. They give the MPRE 3 times a year so worst comes to worst she takes a menial job to live for 3-4 months to take it again. As it is now it is going to be a long time if ever that she gets to practice law.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 3:45 am to
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I wonder if one of the questions revolved around the ethics of practicing law without a license?


It’s been a long time, but I don’t remember that being part of the MPRE.
Posted by GentleJackJones
Member since Mar 2019
5252 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:05 am to
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Crawford later contacted the committee and told members she had passed the MPRE a year later, in August 2018, with a score of 99, court documents said. But a 99 was “unobtainable and impossible to achieve” on that test,


If we’re talking about the MPRE offered through the NCBE, then that simply isn’t true. Scores of 99+ aren’t “unobtainable and impossible to achieve.”

I recently had to obtain a copy of my score for transfer to another state’s jurisdiction, and the score was over 100. The test was a joke and required essentially no preparation.
This post was edited on 8/27/19 at 4:14 am
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:18 am to
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Uhh...if we’re talking about the MPRE offered through the NCBE, then that isn’t true. Scores of 99+ aren’t “unobtainable and impossible to achieve.”


Max MPRE score is 150 and has been since at least the early 90s. My score was in the 120s again with basically no separate study time other than taking a couple of practice tests.

Anyone know is ~15% of the questions are still non-graded? I never understood the reasoning behind that.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 4:21 am to
My class had a contest to see who could get the lowest passing score.
Posted by tLSU
Member since Oct 2007
8691 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 6:10 am to
They didn't say a 99+,they said a 99. They could be referring to the curved scale on that particular test and saw that 99 was skipped over for everyone.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
38353 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 6:19 am to
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Scores of 99+ aren’t “unobtainable and impossible to achieve.”


This, I got above 99 on mine. Not sure what they mean by it being impossible.

Eta: saw the comments above mine; good point, probably something to do with the curve
This post was edited on 8/27/19 at 6:21 am
Posted by TexasTiger39
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 8/27/19 at 7:31 am to
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Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25961 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 7:47 am to
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I'd like to know how many cases she won. And what the prosecutor who lost must be thinking.


They don't say that, but:

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The Orleans Public Defenders Office said it hired Crawford as a lawyer in September 2018, and she went on to represent dozens of clients.


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The scandal has drawn intense interest among New Orleans’ legal community because it could potentially lead to appeals of cases where Crawford represented clients in trials or plea deals.


Even cases she lost or pleaded out are going to be questioned.
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