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re: Released body camera footage shows cops stood outside Vegas gunman's door in fear
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:08 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:08 pm to WG_Dawg
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Yeah it would suck knowing your life could potentially end in a minute or 2 but I mean that's literally the dude's job and what he is trained for.
I agree and disagree. Yes, its his job to confront and stop the threat but at what cost? He didn't agree to the $25,000 a year job to be killed if necessary. Is the probability higher in that line of work? yes... But its not a requirement. There is no line in the job application that states you must take a bullet to save others. The officers life is just as important as any person that was out there. I am not saying what he did was right, but I will not be the one to judge him for it.
If the situation is too hot and more officers are needed, then it is what it is.
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:09 pm to Rust Cohle
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go against a machine gun
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:10 pm to Rust Cohle
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I think y'all are overestimating their training. I kid with his GED gets two months on the job training. For some that's enough to think you were a god and above the law, for others it's not enough to go against a machine gun when all you have is a handgun.
My brother got his CCL last year. The instructor made a joke that "You all now have more firearms training than most local cops do."
That is scary how infrequently they are required to go to the range and re-certify.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:11 pm to mikelbr
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scary how infrequently they are required to go to the range and re-certify.
I use this argument when people want to put Veterans in schools...I know plenty who haven't touched a weapon since bootcamp twenty years ago
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:11 pm to toosleaux
What was that officers orders?
He knew he was on the floor below. Maybe it was to secure that floor while other officers were on the 32nd floor.
He knew he was on the floor below. Maybe it was to secure that floor while other officers were on the 32nd floor.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:13 pm to toosleaux
It would be interesting to know what the response was if they called it in to superiors or dispatch. There may have been an order to wait for back-up or wait for bomb squad in case the door was rigged to explode. They were completely caught off guard and I’m not sure the blame falls solely on those guys first on the scene.
In the heat of the moment, no one knew what to expect behind that door. But absent direct orders to wait, then yes, their response sure seems to indicate a lack of backbone.
In the heat of the moment, no one knew what to expect behind that door. But absent direct orders to wait, then yes, their response sure seems to indicate a lack of backbone.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:13 pm to Rebel
Heck, there's an idea. Go in the room directly below him on 31, window side, and unload upwards and see what happens.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:14 pm to toosleaux
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"We teach officers to respond directly to the active killing. Every second that it continues to go on, more lives are at risk,"
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:15 pm to Tygerfan
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The officers life is just as important as any person that was out there.
So it's your opinion that it's ok foe LEO to refuse to engage?
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:15 pm to NotGrammarKnotsi
you telling me hotel security doesnt have a master key for the rooms? i dont believe that.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:17 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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you telling me hotel security doesnt have a master key for the rooms? i dont believe that.
I agree..plenty of ways into that room
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:17 pm to Sao
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Go in the room directly below him on 31, window side, and unload upwards and see what happens.
Kill a innocent person on the 33rd floor and watch the shite storm from the media unfold against the "rogue" officer.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:18 pm to WG_Dawg
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My first thought was "well I sure wouldn't have wanted to go in there either", but then I remembered I'm just a random dude and not a trained officer whose job it is to do exactly that. Yeah it would suck knowing your life could potentially end in a minute or 2 but I mean that's literally the dude's job and what he is trained for.
Yeah, I'm not sure if this makes him a coward, but it's pretty obvious they're not suitable for the perils of the job.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Do it's your opinion that it's ok foe LEO to refuse to engage?
No.. But I don't know what was going on that this particular officer decided against engaging therefore I am in no place to judge him. I just simply stated that it is not in the job description for the officer to give his life no matter the situation.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:20 pm to SpanishFortTiger
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In that moment I’m not sure what I would have done
I doubt you chose a career which requires you to protect and serve which is fine...I didn’t either. This guy had a gun and training. Even distracting the shooter buys time for people to find cover
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:21 pm to slackster
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I'm not sure if this makes him a coward, but it's pretty obvious they're not suitable for the perils of the job.
agreed...Freezing up and backing off happened probably involuntarily..based on his believable account, he essentially zoned out
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Even distracting the shooter buys time for people to find cover
a huge factor here considering how many people were killed in those 15 minutes
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:21 pm to NotGrammarKnotsi
As said, I don't blame the officer for a straight up attack of the position. But there's absolutely, and I mean absolutely no reason not to at least distract the guy. Open the door and fire some rounds in. Sure he was probably worried the door was boobie trapped, and he was absolutely right to be worried about that. But that's his job and he allowed multiple people to be slaughtered by not doing so.
The police should absolutely be hammered for not engaging some one in a mass casualty situation immediately. If the police are not going to do so no matter their training, it takes away 100% of the reasons to not allow armed citizens.
The police should absolutely be hammered for not engaging some one in a mass casualty situation immediately. If the police are not going to do so no matter their training, it takes away 100% of the reasons to not allow armed citizens.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:21 pm to Sao
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And Eugene O'Donnell, a former New York City cop and now instructor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, said “we have to be realistic."
"Police officers are civilians with guns,” he told the Associated Press. “The notion that they can spring into action and take on a mass murderer who is running up the body count is probably something you can't ask."
If that's the case then none of them need to have weapons.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:22 pm to NotGrammarKnotsi
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agreed...Freezing up and backing off happened probably involuntarily..based on his believable account, he essentially zoned out
He probably did what most people would do, which is understandable, but it should also be cause for his removal from that kind of work.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:23 pm to Sao
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Go in the room directly below him on 31, window side, a
You’ve seen Die Hard too many times.
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