re: Recent college graduates unemployment has surpassed total unemployment for the first time

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It’s exactly the position in. College graduate had multiple jobs in different industries. Most just useless admin and management stuff. Now I’m working from home not much growth and Covid really hurt our job growth and many people got stuck. I decided not to fall into that trap and am becoming an engineer tech to get an actual skill. I’m warning my peers and a few took my advice and joined me.

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So, as usual, the person advocating the most for becoming a tradesman isn’t actually a tradesman himself and has literally zero idea what a full year or two of that life is like.




What all the “become an hvac tech and then start your own business” people don’t understand is that if you had the drive, intelligence and work ethic to successfully start and run a trade business you could have gone white collar and successfully started and ran a professional firm making 5x more.

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Bro if half this new generation would show just some half-arse effort, companies would be on their hands and knees begging for them. Nobody in the new age gives a shite about dress code, how they present themselves or the level of work they bring. Would I rather be on a beach than working? Sure, but I’d rather make sure I get a paycheck whenever I do decide to take a vacation

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I agree that effort as people in hiring positions see it is at a low point. But I think it represents a culture shift. Who will win? I don't know. I look at job postings just to see what's out there for my experience/education/certs and I get kinda bummed. A lot of it has to do with purchasing power as well. Things are so much more expensive than they were even 7 years ago. But 7 years ago wages weren't that much different

I looked at 12 Month percentage change, all items, consumer price index. I don't have much time to do dig, so I chose a common item. Ground Chuck

Ground Chuck:
12/2024 - 5.58
12/2018 - 3.71
% Increase - 50.4%

Weekly Earnings (Accountant, All People 16+)
2024 - 1553
2018 - 1209
% Increase - 28.5%

Obviously cursory and not a 1:1 comparison, but it's hard to see employers want candidates to bend over backward and expect a ton of effort when we're seeing what we have seen the past half decade.

Those who really want it will still rise, I believe that. But if a collective generation decides to say "frick it, we'll just be broke, frick you", what happens?

Transfer portal

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likely because of AI automation being right around the corner

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or it could be because they demand more of a salary than they're worth. Have unrealistic expectations regarding their job, or just suck in general and aren't employable.

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The cost of living dramatically increased the last 5 years. Yet pay for college grads have remained the same.

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Not unique to college grads

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Not unique to college grads

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The bottom and the top got raises while the median stayed the same. So yes people should demand more pay

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Funny how so many companies in different industries these days are making more money than ever, yet many seem to believe so many of their employees aren’t worth what they’re “demanding”. Somewhat related, it’s pretty annoying seeing execs at large companies complain about how they are struggling with retention or finding qualified new hires all while shoveling boat loads of cash each year into stock buybacks. My very large international company has issues with an aging talent pool and have recently cut or curtailed a lot of “fringe” benefits. The company has practically never been in a better position financially, forecasts are strong and they have spent 3B on buying their own stock the past 3 years.

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Corporate greed and bad employees aren’t mutually exclusive, both are a huge problem

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Corporate greed and bad employees aren’t mutually exclusive, both are a huge problem

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They are caused by each other

If you’re being paid the bare market rate, raise are 2% annually, and your jobs barely cover your bills. What loyalty do you owe to a company when the only way to get a raise is to move to a new job. Then your company decides they actually can afford a raise and beg you not to leave then it’s already too late.


This has happened to me and others countless times

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Millions can be made in those 3 fields of your stay of the drugs and hire a competent office manager and accountant.

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I mean you could make millions in any field per se..but your premise wrong .. probably 95% or higher of the people in these fields haven’t made millions,.. Its not from a lack of hard work or dedication

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All I was trying to say is that if someone does plumbing, hvac or electrical for their career and stays off drugs, your odds of being a multi millionaire are strong.

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And all he’s saying is that’s fricking retarded, because it is in fact, fricking retarded