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Posted on 2/21/16 at 6:48 pm to
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Waltzing Between the Raindrops
Member since Oct 2007
24864 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 6:48 pm to
quote:

A contract as a buyers agent is rare? That's not true at all.


This.

It sounds like a lot of you haven't bought property since the 90s. Buyer's agency agreements are VERY common now.

quote:

BUYER AGENCY AGREEMENT
The undersigned _______________________________________, hereinafter designated as Buyer or Client,
hereby engages _________________________________________, hereinafter designated as Broker, as
Client’s sole and exclusive agent to locate property described below or other property acceptable to Buyer,
and to negotiate terms and conditions acceptable to Buyer for purchase, exchange, lease, or option to buy.
IF A BUYER CHOOSES TO BE REPRESENTED AS A CLIENT, THE FOLLOWING SHALL APPLY:
1. PROPERTY DESIRED: General description of possible suitable properties includes:
a. Type (residential, land, commercial, etc): _________________________________________
b. Transaction (purchase, rent/lease, exchange, option, etc.): ____________________________
c. Location: ___________________________________________________________________
d. General Requirements of Property (continue on addendum if necessary): ________________
__________________________________________________________________________
e. Date Required: ______________________________________________________________
f. Price Range: ________________________________________________________________
g. Other Terms/Conditions (continue on addendum if necessary): ________________________
__________________________________________________________________________
2. TIME OF COMMENCEMENT & DURATION OF AGENCY: Broker is granted authority as
Buyer’s exclusive agent beginning on _____________________, and continuing until
_______________________, or until Buyer closes the purchase of real property that is the subject
of Paragraph 1 hereinabove, whichever occurs first.
3. CONDITION OF PROPERTY AND NECESSITY OF INSPECTION: Client acknowledges and
agrees that:
a. In locating properties for Client, Broker may rely on statements or representations of others,
and that any given property may not satisfy all the requirements expressed by Client, and that
Broker makes no representations whatsoever regarding the condition of the property or its
suitability for Client’s intended purposes, and
b. Broker and its associates (also sometimes referred to as licensees) lack the expertise to
determine the condition of the property and, therefore, Client will not rely on any statements
or omissions made by Broker or its associates regarding the condition of the property, and
c. Client, and not Broker, has the responsibility to determine or verify, either personally, or
through, or with a licensed contractor or other representative of Client’s choosing, any and all
conditions of the property material to Client’s decision to buy the property, and
d. Client is aware that professional inspection services and/or contractors may be engaged for
this purpose and that Broker and its associates strongly recommend the use of such
professionals.
4. LIMITED CONSENSUAL DUAL AGENCY – BROKER LISTED PROPERTY: See Company
Policy on Addendum _____.
This contract is for use by Jonathan Williams. Use by any other party is illegal and voids the contract.
Buyer Agency Agreement Page 2 of 2
5. BROKER COMPENSATION: THE COMMISSION PAYABLE TO THE BROKER IN THIS TRANSACTION IS
NOT SET BY THE BIRMINGHAM ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS®, BUT IN ALL CASES IS NEGOTIABLE
BETWEEN THE BROKER AND CLIENT.
a. BROKERAGE FEE:
i. Purchase/Exchange: Client agrees to pay Broker, as compensation for locating
property acceptable to Client and negotiating the purchase or exchange, a fee of
$____________________, or __________% of the purchase price.
ii. Option: Client agrees to pay Broker as compensation for obtaining an option on a
property acceptable to Client a fee of $____________________, and to pay Broker the
balance of a fee of __________% of the purchase price in the event the option is
exercised by Client or Client’s assignee.
iii. Lease: Client agrees to pay Broker as compensation for locating a property acceptable
to Client and negotiating a lease thereon a fee of $____________________.
b. PAYMENT OF FEE BY THIRD PARTIES: Broker agrees that, if it receives a fee or
commission from the seller or seller’s broker, the fee received shall be credited against the
amount owed by the Client hereunder. Any compensation or fee accepted by Broker from the
seller or seller’s broker will be in lieu of any obligation by Client to pay the compensation, as
agreed above.
c. EXCLUSIVE AGENCY: COMMISSION EARNED ON COMPLETION OF
TRANSACTION AFTER EXPIRATION. If Client acquires property shown by Broker
during the period of this Agreement or within ________ days after expiration of this
Agreement, the Client is obligated to pay Broker the commission described hereinabove. If
the Client is contacted directly by a Seller or other real estate agent or broker, the Client shall
refer them to Broker.
6. AFFILIATED BUSINESS ARRANGEMENTS: Buyer is hereby notified that Broker has a
business relationship with the following companies, and those relationships may provide Broker a
financial or other benefit: _______________________________________________ .
7. PRIVACY AND SECURITY POLICY: As part of Broker’s business operations, we collect nonpublic
personal information on applications and other forms. It is our policy that we may disclose
any or all of the non-public information that we collect to affiliated and/or non-affiliated companies
that perform services or functions on our behalf (for example, private mortgage, insurance, and/or
quality control companies) and other non-affiliated financial institutions with whom we may have a
joint marketing agreement (for example, insurance companies). Broker restricts access to non-public
personal information about you to those employees whom we determine have a legitimate business
purpose to access such information.
8. NONDISCRIMINATION: It is illegal to discriminate in the sale or lease of real estate because of
race, color, religion, handicap, familial status, sex, or national origin.
This agreement is intended to be the legal and binding contract of all parties, and may affect your legal rights. If not understood,
seek competent legal advice. Signatures on this Agreement may be obtained on facsimile copies for the purpose of contractual
agreement; therefore, such facsimile signatures shall be deemed legal and binding.
_________________________________________________ __________________________________________________
Buyer Date Brokerage Firm Name
_________________________________________________ __________________________________________________
Posted by skeeter531
Member since Jun 2014
2493 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 6:49 pm to
yes it is rare, at least where I live. The seller is paying the commission, which is split between listing agent and selling agent. The buyer isn't paying or contracting with the agent that shows them properties, to be their representative. There is no contract between the buyer and the buyer's agent.
This post was edited on 2/21/16 at 6:50 pm
Posted by Theoldgraycoat
Antarctica
Member since Sep 2015
1025 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 6:49 pm to
You really think something like that would hold up in court? You are just proving to everyone in this thread what scumbag leaches realtors are. You prey on the ignorant.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 6:50 pm to
quote:

even an agent who isn't the listing agent represents the seller, not the buyer...unless you have a specific contract with an agent to be a buyer's agent, which is rare. They show you around and act as "your" agent but they really have no fiduciary responsibility to you.


This is why you should use people you know and trust.

I once had an agent talk me down $25K on my initial offer.... We eventually settled for $12.5 less than my initial offer would have been. (this was after Katrina and values were all over the place)

That agent was working for me although we had no separate "buying agent" contract.

It was the second house she had sold me.
Posted by Patrick_Bateman
Member since Jan 2012
17823 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 6:50 pm to
quote:

So they found out (they are females fwiw) and got pissed at the wife
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
45198 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 6:51 pm to
It's smart to use a buyers agent, someone that is representing your interests in the process.
Posted by skeeter531
Member since Jun 2014
2493 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 6:51 pm to
We've bought lots of real estate and have never seen or signed an agreement like that, as a buyer.
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
Ms Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2004
21776 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 6:54 pm to
I was selling my property on my own and had a realtor call me saying she had a buyer for it. He made a offer and she included her commission for me to pay. I advised her I would not pay her anything. She tried to tell me that was the law and I told her the reason I was selling it without a real estate agent was so I didn't have to pay her. Me and the owner came to an agreement and he ended up paying her since she was working for him.
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Waltzing Between the Raindrops
Member since Oct 2007
24864 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 6:57 pm to
quote:

We've bought lots of real estate and have never seen or signed an agreement like that, as a buyer.


Then you didn't have an agent representing you. Now, many agents will still act as your agent but implied agency is a really murky area and they are under no obligation to represent your interests.
Posted by skeeter531
Member since Jun 2014
2493 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 6:59 pm to
I had my real estate license eons ago and we were supposed to be negotiating the best deal for the SELLER, even if we were the agent working with a buyer. Sure, those of us who had a conscience would be honest with buyers about what offers might get accepted, and tell the buyer if the seller was motivated or not, but in THEORY, we were supposed to be getting the best deal for the seller. The real sharks make a lot of money in real estate, the non-sharks find another line of work lol.
Posted by skeeter531
Member since Jun 2014
2493 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 7:00 pm to
quote:

quote: We've bought lots of real estate and have never seen or signed an agreement like that, as a buyer.

Then you didn't have an agent representing you. Now, many agents will still act as your agent but implied agency is a really murky area and they are under no obligation to represent your interests.


I KNOW! that's what I've been saying. Most agents are NOT buyer's agents.
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Waltzing Between the Raindrops
Member since Oct 2007
24864 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 7:05 pm to
quote:



I KNOW! that's what I've been saying. Most agents are NOT buyer's agents.


Yes, there USED to be no such thing as a buyer's agent.

Now, it is quite common because of what you and I are discussing, the implication that the agent is working for you when in reality they are working for the seller. Same reason that you have to sign limited consensual dual agency agreements when representing the buyer and seller in a transaction.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
21034 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 7:24 pm to
I ended up speaking to 2 different realtors about one piece of property. I called one that showed the listing, my wife called a different one about the exact same listing.

I had the meeting at the property and 2 people showed up. I had no idea it'd be 2 different people. So I made a choice.

Guy drove a Ford
Lady drove a Chevy

She should've driven a Ford. She'd at least have gotten it to a coin toss.
Posted by Beef Supreme
Member since Apr 2008
2486 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 7:36 pm to
There are a lot of bad agents out there that give the good agents a bad reputation. A good agent knows that sometimes they get in the way of a deal. I've seen agents step aside in a deal so that their buyer could get what they wanted just on pure faith that when that buyer goes to sell they would use that agent. Then again, good agents aren't desperate for the deal - they have others and they're not strapped.

I'm willing to say most agents are bad agents. 6% is insane. It's not 6% of profit, it's 6% of the sale price which turns into a big chunk of profit. A lot of agents protect their own as well. If they see a FSBO sign a lot of them will not show the house to their buyers. A lot of listing agents are only good for putting the house on MLS - you don't even need them to get on Zillow and Trulia anymore. They list the house on MLS then they wait... and wait... and wait. Good agents hold open houses, market it on social media, hold agent open houses, etc. Bad agents don't want to spend their money to move the product.

If you're ever looking at a deal where you are purchasing land or a home or looking to build and the other party doesn't have an agent - you will get a lot further in negotiating if you don't bring your agent in. You don't need them. All forms are available online. The Title Attorney will make sure both parties are setup for the sale correctly.

Also, about the contract - any decent attorney can render a form contract useless.

Posted by MeridianDog
Home on the range
Member since Nov 2010
14539 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 7:45 pm to
I am an old fart. We have purchased pieces of property since 1978 and have had a contract of representation with our agent in every case. I have never been represented by the seller's agent in any piece of property I have purchased, including a sale I will close at the end of March.

That is the truth. Regardless of what you may think.
Posted by skeeter531
Member since Jun 2014
2493 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 8:04 pm to
quote:

I am an old fart. We have purchased pieces of property since 1978 and have had a contract of representation with our agent in every case. I have never been represented by the seller's agent in any piece of property I have purchased, including a sale I will close at the end of March. That is the truth. Regardless of what you may think.


every state is different but I had my real estate license in 1978 in my state and regardless of whether I was "representing" a buyer in a transaction, I was actually in an agency relationship with the SELLER, not the buyer. Always. However, I just googled and learned that as of 2012 agents must provide an agency disclosure statement to their clients and state what type of agency will exist. If an agent sells a property that was listed by another agent within their own brokerage firm though, they have to disclose their dual agency.
So confusing....but I'm glad that there is now a disclosure form that will let buyers know what their agency status is.
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
28166 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 8:05 pm to
quote:

There is no contract between the buyer and the buyer's agent.


That's sketchy as all get out
Posted by Flashback
reading the chicken bones
Member since Apr 2008
8479 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 8:16 pm to
You and your wife don't deserve any land with that kind of attitude. Control that bitch.
Posted by Supermoto Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2010
10976 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 8:19 pm to
quote:

the agent that helped us out the most.

This!! I can't believe you have to ask!
Posted by 3deadtrolls
lafayette
Member since Jan 2014
7079 posts
Posted on 2/21/16 at 8:19 pm to
quote:

We've bought lots of real estate and have never seen or signed an agreement like that, as a buyer.


Me either, and no way I'm signing that.
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