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Posted on 6/25/21 at 12:12 pm to When in Rome
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Number of people unaccounted for after Florida building collapse rises to 159
Horrific. Those poor souls.
Agreed! It is heart wrenching!
Just as an aside/observation, and I have made posts on this before…but as a lifer in Alabama with storms here and other calamities nationwide such as mass shootings, so often when there’s a situation like this immediately following the disaster…there’s alway one dead right off in news reports. Have any of you noticed that? There could be numerous deaths but time after time they frequently have initial reports of one fatality. To me that’s code language for “we know people died, many people, but this is our way to ease the numbers over, by starting out with one and building upon it.
This post was edited on 6/25/21 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 6/25/21 at 12:22 pm to OldmanBeasley
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Because it didn't. That was a planned demo.
They planned a demo with a fully occupied building? Are you serious?
We are talking about Florida here.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 12:22 pm to baldona
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But why would it all crash down almost like a perfectly planned demolition?
Perhaps the section that collapsed first was sinking at a faster rate than the rest of the structure. Thereby increasing the shear load on the connections. But I agree, one would think it was done with shaped charges the way it failed.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 12:30 pm to real turf fan
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The missing may be up to 191. One comment was that the condo was a mixture of live there all year long and people who are only there temporarily.
Another thing to consider is relatives and/or friends visiting, especially in the summer. KIds are out of school and people may be vacationing or just getting together with family and friends.
The original smaller number was probably the number of people that live in the collapsed condos full-time.
Terrible tragedy.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 12:44 pm to East Coast Band
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But this building has been around for years.
I still think there was some type of renovations going on that isn't being owned up to at the moment.
Either that or all the warning signs were ignored by building management and the residents. Many of the residents are probably seasonal and aren’t around during the winter.
This post was edited on 6/25/21 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 6/25/21 at 12:51 pm to Hobie101
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But I doubt it would cause this type of failure
If the structure was cast in place with rebar mats in the slabs, tied into columns, probably not.
The shift in load from 4 inches of settlement over 40 years would redistribute across the structure, to a degree.
But, if the slabs were reinforced with post-tension cables, resting on the columns, then the columns could "punch" thru the slabs.
I've never seen a PT cable slab installed or demo'd.
This post was edited on 6/25/21 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 6/25/21 at 1:05 pm to Crimson1st
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Have any of you noticed that? There could be numerous deaths but time after time they frequently have initial reports of one fatality. To me that’s code language for “we know people died, many people, but this is our way to ease the numbers over, by starting out with one and building upon it.
Yes I have and that is true. It seems as if they don't want to give the bad news of a large number initially. I think it is the equivalent of giving the bad news when a family member dies, and the news might go as "in critical condition when already dead", specially if the death is unexpected.
I have read all the pages in this post. Man I've read so many dumb/clueless comments and some stupid jokes as well. Trying to be funny or sarcastic about this tragedy is shameful.
I'm in Miami and I've heard stories of people not wanting to go home (condos). Prayers to the victims and their families.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 1:07 pm to broadhead
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Because it didn't. That was a planned demo.
I totally read that in Jim Dodge's voice.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 1:11 pm to GCTiger11
Are officials speculation on the probable cause yet? Sinkhole?
Posted on 6/25/21 at 1:22 pm to OldmanBeasley
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Because it didn't. That was a planned demo.
They planned a demo with a fully occupied building? Are you serious?
I think that’s probably fake, but I thought it was funny
Posted on 6/25/21 at 1:31 pm to kingbob
Conspiracy theories will start to spread like wild fire. But why would a multi millionaire such as McAfee own a condo in an old building? Having one in Bal Harbour just a few miles away would make more sense. The Ritz & St. Regis buildings are just a few blocks away.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 1:34 pm to Palomitz
Maybe it was a non-descript place where he wouldn’t be recognized? Maybe he bought that condo a long time ago.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 1:48 pm to baldona
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Well in your made up scenario, someone had $145k in coverage which means they had to buy it for $145k and now the value is $600k+. So they should have $450k or more in equity. So yes, with that there are “plenty of affordable options in Miami” just like I said.
No dumbass. First of all, it's not a made up scenario. The numbers I provided are for what the unit that I was in in 2018 was insured for at that time. People pay $600K for a unit because it is an oceanfront unit in a desirable area. If the building caught fire or got flooded and had to be gutted down to the concrete, $145K is enough restore it to it's pre-loss condition. Do you think somebody that pays $10 million dollars for 100 acres of pristine land near Vail Colorado with a run down old cabin on it pays $10 million to insure the cabin?
This post was edited on 6/25/21 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 6/25/21 at 1:50 pm to DCtiger1
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You’re misinformed on how insurance works. The HOA or COA has a master policy that covers the entire building. Each individual owner is only covering drywall in for their unit. The building will be covered but it will take time to figure out what the hell happened.
LOL - The insurance companies that hire my adjusting company and who hire me to represent them as their appraiser with policy limit settlement authority might disagree with you. Would you like me to recite Florida Stature 718.111 to you verbatim? I have plenty of practice explaining it, not only to condo managers, but sometimes to their attorneys as well. For the record, in Florida, the master policy covers "the drywall in" - that means drywall, insulation, wiring, rough plumbing, ductwork, etc. is the responsibility of the asociation. The unit owner's policy covers finish items - paint, texture, flooring, plumbing fixtures, cabinets, appliances. Whatever disbursement these unit owners get from the master policy, it won't cover the value of the unit.
This post was edited on 6/25/21 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 6/25/21 at 2:35 pm to bikerack
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City of Miami officials have ordered citywide inspections of all buildings six stories or taller that are 40 years or older. Announcement comes day after #SurfsideBuildingCollapse
This will certainly line some pockets.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 2:36 pm to bikerack
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City of Miami officials have ordered citywide inspections of all buildings six stories or taller that are 40 years or older. Announcement comes day after #SurfsideBuildingCollapse
Time to start covering your butt for incoming lawsuits.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 2:52 pm to LSU82BILL
Market value and replacement cost are two different numbers. Regardless of the outcome, the condo will be rebuilt in some form or fashion per the covenants included in their HOA.
Tell me, how many TOTAL losses have you dealt with in Florida when it comes to High rise condos?
Tell me, how many TOTAL losses have you dealt with in Florida when it comes to High rise condos?
Posted on 6/25/21 at 2:55 pm to Yellerhammer5
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This will certainly line some pockets.
Yep. We do some forensic analysis and it pays well. Inspections aren't as profitable but if you contract for a decent number you can make some good money.
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