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re: Racism in South Africa
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:20 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:20 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
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Then flying to Zimbabwe
Hope you don’t get raped too forcibly.
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Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:22 am to Pandy Fackler
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Tribal warfare isn't genocide dummy
Lol wut
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:22 am to Deactived
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Lol wut
My thoughts exactly
We'll only kill a few of those baws, then the rest will get the hint and leave without further bloodshed
This post was edited on 5/19/19 at 11:27 am
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:23 am to fr33manator
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I hope you don’t consider yourself educated, because this is patently false.
No it was genocide for numerous reasons.
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Disease, which no one fully understood or planned for, did the bulk of the work. The Indians were decimated before the Europeans came here in any real numbers.
This is the traditional notion, but new scholarship doesn't support this. Native Americans had dealt with plagues and epidemics before; they were, after all, human, and thus were subject to the same pressures that other humans had. During colonization, population displacement, slaving raids, targeting of resources, and destruction of institutions all contributed to their death toll, and all were instituted as part of the colonial project.
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And the ones you call “native Americans” came from Asia and slaughtered the previous inhabitants...
Which previous inhabitants of the Americas? There isn't evidence of settlement before 20,000 years ago, to my knowledge.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:23 am to crazy4lsu
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It was definitely genocide by any modern definition.
No. No it was not.
Disease killed over 90% of the natives. Disease. Not the white man going genocide on the natives. It was smallpox. It was measles. It was cholera. It was typhoid. TB. Influenza. Measles. syphilis. Etc.
Now, if the settlers purposely used these diseases in weaponized form (hint, they didn’t) then you would have the argument you claim to have. But, that isn’t what happened. The Europeans had been previously exposed and had built up resistances to these diseases. The natives did not. So they died from them.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:24 am to Ponchy Tiger
In the words of a South African couple we met in England (they were traveling to decide where to emigrate to), "You show me an African tribe that can feed itself, and I'll show you a bloody miracle."
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:24 am to crazy4lsu
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Which previous inhabitants of the Americas? There isn't evidence of settlement before 20,000 years ago, to my knowledge.
Because, landbridge. But a friend of mine tells me that Moors were here since the dawn of time.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:24 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
If you plan to drive yourself in any of those areas you better bring a wad of "white tax" money. I've driven all over Angola, Cameroon, Namibia and South Africa and there's always someone in a uniform asking for money. Most are armed with automatic weapons.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:24 am to fr33manator
It’s like standing in front of the Chicago bean and telling people you don’t believe Chicago has a crime problem
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:25 am to redstick13
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Cape Town is like Malibu fenced off from a war zone.
And it's still one of the most violent cities in the world
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:25 am to dbuchanon
No idea the thinking there. When your tribe is at war with another, you kill everyone.
Why leave living members around? Oh yea, so we can have that brutal war again...
Why leave living members around? Oh yea, so we can have that brutal war again...
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:26 am to crazy4lsu
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but new scholarship doesn't support this
Ima need links. Back up your asinine claim.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:27 am to fr33manator
quote:I'm sure I'll be just fine. I'll let you know how it goes while you're busy stuck at work.
Hope you don’t get raped too forcibly.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:29 am to Deactived
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No idea the thinking there. When your tribe is at war with another, you kill everyone.
Why leave living members around? Oh yea, so we can have that brutal war again...
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We'll only kill a few of those baws, then the rest will get the hint and leave without further bloodshed
I added this to my earlier post. But yeah, fully agree.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:29 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
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I'll let you know how it goes while you're busy stuck at work.
I'd rather be at work.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:30 am to dbuchanon
This thread has taken many different turns
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:30 am to tduecen
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This thread has taken many different turns
It's Sunday, the weather is terrible and I'm at work
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:33 am to beerJeep
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No. No it was not.
Again, the modern scholarship suggests it was genocide.
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Disease killed over 90% of the natives. Disease.
Removing the context of why and how those people died is the issue. Again, native peoples had dealt with epidemics before. What exactly made the colonial project different? It made demographic recovery extremely difficult. Populations were displaced from their stable food supplies, and that displacement contributed significantly to diseases. The demographic replacement, in places like the Caribbean, had begun to occur before the arrival of major epidemics. Violence, enslavement and disruption of traditional lifeways contributed to that demographic depression, and all this occurred before smallpox arrived, in the 16th century.
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Now, if the settlers purposely used these diseases in weaponized form (hint, they didn’t)
There is evidence that they did. From the Journal of William Trent, 1763. "Out of our regard to them we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect." Also the Siege of Fort Pitt is probably the first instance of biological warfare, and indicates that settlers had some understanding of disease mechanisms.
Again, I've read a shite ton about this and I could go further, but I don't think I'll convince anyone. The myths of colonization are too deeply ingrained to fight. But the modern evidence suggests that it was genocide.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:33 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
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As Long as Americans believe they are the bad guys then we can keep stealing their oil.
I love when people say this, it means I can completely write off their opinions on just about everything because they are just parrots
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:33 am to beerJeep
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Ima need links. Back up your asinine claim.
I can provide books. Let me get my list together.
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