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re: Quiet Quitting? Well that a new term.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:54 pm to Upperdecker
Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:54 pm to Upperdecker
Agreed 100%. That's why I was trying to make the distinction.
I know a lot of operators, too. They don't do shite outside of their specific job duties. They don't work hours they don't get paid, either.
Quiet Quitting is about not doing things outside of your actual work...stuff others do for some sort of reputation or possible advancement.
I know a lot of operators, too. They don't do shite outside of their specific job duties. They don't work hours they don't get paid, either.
Quiet Quitting is about not doing things outside of your actual work...stuff others do for some sort of reputation or possible advancement.
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:56 pm to Steadyhands
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So hire someone with the minimum job output being what is actually desired. If the goals for a business need everyone operating at 110%+, then it's a terrible business plan with terrible leadership.
This has always been true but in the past there was a carrot of advancement to dangle. Today there isn't, and, more importantly, the kids know it.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:56 pm to josh336
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Work/life balance. Makes no sense to go above and beyond and put in more hours than is needed.
Back when companies had loyalty to their employees it did. But in 2020 a frick ton of people, including millennials and GenZ, got laid off in RIF’s.
If you work for a corporation, c-suite personnel took pay cuts but then took larger stock options when the stocks were depressed. So not only did they not get fired but they actually made more. With those RIF’s work got shifted to other people to shoulder with no additional pay.
Meanwhile, people are jumping companies for 10-20% raises and their replacements are making that 10-20% more. I wonder if we will ever return to lifetime employees.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:57 pm to sawtooth
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This is why we are outsourcing our engineers right now to Asia. Congrats.
It has nothing to do with telework and that those Asian engineers are paid 1/4 of what American engineers make
Posted on 8/19/22 at 6:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
I’ll give you a pass then. But you know what I was trying to say right??
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:00 pm to Mo Jeaux
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How do you know? And why do you have to be in an office to work?
I will say this, the literal proximity to other workers results in productive interactions that lead to productive ideas, results, and accomplishments for the company. I get the benefit of work from home, but I also see how not physically seeing coworkers hurts development and growth of those not singularly obsessed/devoted to improving their professional capabilities.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:00 pm to sawtooth
Homer Simpson knew about this 30 years ago:
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If you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day, and do it really half assed. That's the American way.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:01 pm to el duderino III
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i'm not usually in the "ok boomer" camp, but uh... A decent share of this falls on the failure of management. Managers can feel entitled to their staff just as much as someone can feel entitled to a check.
People can’t even take constructive criticism. Not every one can be managed. I’m sure work from home doesn’t help. You have zero face to face engagement. But people do want this remote work. So I guess blame management for giving employees what they want?
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:02 pm to ShrevetownTiger
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From a management prospective and a 50+ year old, I can tell you quiet quitting is a thing. I believe it's not just the employees fault.
Employees are asked to go above and beyond with nothing to show for it. You pay someone for a job to do and then gripe when they do that job but nothing more. Someone goes above and beyond hoping that they will get a promotion or a raise but nothing happens so they stop or move on to another company. That's on the company and management. Companies are going to have to change the way they do things because good employees are going to leave and work for someone who has figured it out. Gone are the days where employees are loyal to companies and stay for 20+ years. These younger generations aren't going to give you more than what they signed up for without seeing something in return and I don't blame them.
You sound like you actually are a a manager of people.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:08 pm to sawtooth
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We are falling behind on so many levels.
It's true. But that's what you get when you piss 700 trillion away into the military and invest nothing in your people or your country.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:10 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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the literal proximity to other workers results in productive interactions that lead to productive ideas, results, and accomplishments
I have numerous teams meetings and telephone calls every day for this exact purpose. It really just depends on the job. 99% of my job is done on the computer, so it’s more productive to have everyone collaborating from their own computer via shared screens, etc. In person I would explain things the exact same way and we would just be looking at the same screen side by side. Via shared screens, we can both be looking at things on the other screens at the same time as looking at the topic screen.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Quiet Quitting is about not doing things outside of your actual work...stuff others do for some sort of reputation or possible advancement.
People who take it up on themselves to go beyond have always been rewarded with faster advancement, more money, etc. This was accepted even if with some quiet resent through the millennial generation.
The younger pros today seem to want to stand on pride and principle by doing only exactly what the job description says they need to do, but also don't expect to be passed over or generally overlooked when it comes to career advancement. And they want it right fricking now.
Personally, it bugs the shite out of me. Professionally, it's a complete change in how to deal with young new hires because it doesn't seem logical.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:12 pm to OvertheDwayneBowe
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How many people are told "you are very valuable to this company" but are denied promotions. Plus you hear the advice all the time about how your company is not your friend and cannot be trusted. Employers want it both ways to treat their workforce like mindless workers but not act like it.
That’s what the money is for.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:13 pm to sawtooth
People that reD zero hedge are generally stupid and think everyone is entitled. The reality is that the blame everyone at their job so they read shite like zero hedge that is designed to make you angry and. Lame everyone for your shortcomings
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:17 pm to sawtooth
If you’ve got something that’s worth more than minimum effort, they will pay you a lot or you’ll go somewhere that will.
I get working to the level of your pay. But it’s shortsighted. Develop your skills or your customer base, then take them with you if you aren’t paid well enough. Oh, and you don’t care what the company tells you then. Put the money on the table or I’m gone.
If you quiet quit, you’re just giving up on any success. You’ll never be worth more than you are if you quit.
I get working to the level of your pay. But it’s shortsighted. Develop your skills or your customer base, then take them with you if you aren’t paid well enough. Oh, and you don’t care what the company tells you then. Put the money on the table or I’m gone.
If you quiet quit, you’re just giving up on any success. You’ll never be worth more than you are if you quit.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:17 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
It was a general discussion on managing different generations, with more anecdotes from experience than reliance on the link in the OP that most people didn't even click.
Until you came in 5 pages later to attack the link. And you clearly posted that from a mental perch of importance, which doubles the cringe.
Until you came in 5 pages later to attack the link. And you clearly posted that from a mental perch of importance, which doubles the cringe.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:20 pm to theronswanson
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And this is some brag?
My wife never had to work and stayed home. We also never did without anything. I could comfortable retire at 55 with the money I invested from those turnarounds.
That’s what it is all about. I wasn’t some crybaby 30 something complaining about the cost of living. I also advanced and have a great position in my company.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:22 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
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People that reD zero hedge
You’re a bright one.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:24 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Two generations of lazy, entitled shitheads.
I get some of Gen Z and younger millennials are entitled and lazy, but at the same time, I don't see what's wrong with just doing what's asked of you and nothing more, without compensation.
If you're fine working without compensation that's fine, but many aren't, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:26 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Two generations of lazy, entitled shitheads.
And whose fault is that? Their parents. The generations before the two you mentioned
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