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re: Question about Texas' economy
Posted on 8/28/24 at 11:09 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
Posted on 8/28/24 at 11:09 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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3) a lot of todays illegal immigration isn’t like the immigration that drives Texas’ economy to the current envious position - hence Texas shipping out the illegals as fast as we can.
Or, is it more? A redistribution of humans to other economic hubs under the guise of Red sticking it to Blue, or Blue taking in the "poor and needy"... a
way marketing keeping them in the country is instantly palatable to voters who pay attention to immigration. Maybe Texas is the largest Coyote on the planet. Would you be shocked?
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Posted on 8/28/24 at 11:14 am to LemmyLives
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Native Hispanics really, really do not like illegals. Most of our border patrol are Latino, and abuela will totally drop a dime on an illegal group crossing over her land.
In my experience this is absolutely true except for their family members who cross illegally....its OK for cousin Joel but those other Mexicans gotta go.
That experience is limited to New Mexico and west Texas....but just about every hispanic I knew in either place had some family members who were in the country illegally and they were OK with them it was the ones who weren't family who were a problem.
Its an entirely different dynamic the closer you get to the border....its the same thing as your cousin from Mississippi coming to stay a while in Alabama....at least from the POV of the individuals involved. Just about everyone I know in New Mexico has illegal immigrants in their family. They have been in the US for a LOOOOONNNNGGGGG time and go back and forth regularly. It doesn't matter if the family is Hispanic or not someone in the family is married to someone who is Hispanic and has kids who would be Hispanic if anyone not aware of what happens when folks live across an imaginary line from one another were to guess what ethnicity the kid was.
Its also my experience that those here legally or illegally or just as likely to be normal hard working people or lazy assholes as any other group of people.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 11:43 am to Sao
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If we're all honest, we'll all agree that without south of the border immigrants (for many decade now), our economy driven by the lowest wage workers available (and willing) in the lowest desirable positions would be problematic. Removing this population today by a wave of a wand would grind so much of our daily life to a screeching halt it's scary.
My opinion for years and years here is that it's always been by design by both politicians and the business community. They're all in the same gang, so, by design, one group takes on the blame for it while the other campaigns on economic prosperity and growth.
Whether they are the biggest Democratic or Republican supporters (at the top rung they are usually both) most of the wealthiest people in the US profit a great deal off illegal immigration.
They also tend to support government policies based solely on what helps their financial bottom line.
So, you may have all kinds of politicians blowing hard about illegal immigration to appeal to their bases. But, in the end, you're going to have policies that are grandiose gestures designed to not really limit access to cheap labor for the golf hotel resort chain they're invested in.
They don't want to have to deal with a legal workforce that isn't making their wages work by living 8 people in a 2 BR apartment.
This post was edited on 8/28/24 at 11:46 am
Posted on 8/28/24 at 12:30 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
Are you drawing a correlation between a large segment of the population to strong economics? If so, your method if analysis is flawed.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 12:43 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
A large percentage of those Hispanics have been in Texas for 3 or 4 generations, some were even here when it was Tejas.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 1:00 pm to LemmyLives
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will totally drop a dime on an illegal group
That's awesome. They're as much of an American as anyone . They have every right to be pissed about illegal immigrants coming in.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 1:07 pm to wm72
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They don't want to have to deal with a legal workforce that isn't making their wages work by living 8 people in a 2 BR apartment.
I don't think many Americans actually want to deal with this inflation and economic status devolution.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 1:11 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
Do you have any idea how much chicken will cost if they stop the flow of cheap labor requiring no benefits? DeQueen AR is in the central location of about five plants and has quite a Mexican influence these days.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 1:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I don't think many Americans actually want to deal with this inflation and economic status devolution.
Unfortunately, the exception is the small percentage at the very top of the rung raking in record profits in food, health, real estate development etc etc etc. . .
They can point at everything else instead of their increasing aptitude at skimming more and more off any economic aspect of our lives and, as usual, everyone's eyes follow their finger while the other hand is in the back pocket.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 1:18 pm to LemmyLives
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First, not all Hispanics are illegal.
Second, most of the illegals prefer sanctuary states.
Third, not all Hispanics are from the same country of origin. Mexicans look down on Salvadorians & Hondurians, for example
Posted on 8/28/24 at 1:43 pm to Dire Wolf
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people complain about illegals until it is time to hire roofers, painters, and many mindless trades.
And when they fall off the roof or ladder and sue you for everything they will complain again.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 1:48 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
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Apparently mass deportation would cripple the hotel and restaurant industry in larger cities.
Why should we care about companies that break the law?
Posted on 8/28/24 at 1:55 pm to LemmyLives
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Native Hispanics really, really do not like illegals
Generally true and there's even more animosity between Mexicans (legal and illegal) towards the other Hispanics from El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala and the crappy islands. I mean, they hate them much more than we do.
The media and politicians love to just group all of these people into their identity politics baskets but the truth is they see themselves as completely separate and distinct, the same way we don't feel any kinship towards Russians, Serbs, etc.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 2:09 pm to Marshhen
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Why should we care about companies that break the law?
The problem isn't exactly "us". . . It's that the politician (Republicans and Democrats equally) mainly care about the bottom lines of corporations their donors have stock in.
People also concentrate on restaurant and hotels, but most big businesses are benefiting from cheap labor from illegals through hiring out so much work to subcontractors.
Just for example, I have a record shop and get a company to clean inside and out every once in a while because it's cheaper than paying employees to do it and having to worry about cleaning supplies/tools. . . Would be surprised if I'm not paying "illegal immigrants" in that process.
Sure most big corporations aren't just saving a little here and there by doing that with numerous jobs but hundreds of millions.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 2:35 pm to biglego
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Every country in history until now felt obliged and obligated to defend its borders from any invasion. It’s a very recent thing for anyone to consider their own country’s border “racist” or even justify having no border.
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Article IV Relationships Between the States
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
How can anyone say that what is going on with our border is not verging on treasonous?
This post was edited on 8/28/24 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 8/28/24 at 2:37 pm to Dire Wolf
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people complain about illegals until it is time to hire roofers, painters, and many mindless trades.
No complaints in Texas of shortages of immigrants. Just drive through any Home Depot parking lot and they are lining up trying to get your attention so you will hire them. We got too many illegals.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 12:56 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
Texas is doing more than any other state or even the federal govt to deter illegal immigration across its border with Mexico. Texas has been transporting many of the ones the fed allows to leftist and liberal areas who support illegal activity.
Maybe you were not aware that other states border Mexico besides Texas or that Biden has flown in hundreds of thousands of them bypassing border with Mexico and directly putting them in various parts of the country (and paying organizations big money to help).
When you hear about crime by illegal Venezuelans across the US including murder and rape you can thank the border czar Harris and Biden and likely yourself for supporting the invasion allowed to try to steal elections now and in the future.
Maybe you were not aware that other states border Mexico besides Texas or that Biden has flown in hundreds of thousands of them bypassing border with Mexico and directly putting them in various parts of the country (and paying organizations big money to help).
When you hear about crime by illegal Venezuelans across the US including murder and rape you can thank the border czar Harris and Biden and likely yourself for supporting the invasion allowed to try to steal elections now and in the future.
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