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Question about "gun free zones"
Posted on 4/22/16 at 8:32 am
Posted on 4/22/16 at 8:32 am
You've all seen the restaurants or businesses that have the gun free zone sticker on the door. Although our rights to bear arms are protected by the second amendment, and many have a permit issued by the county/parish to conceal carry a weapon, you can still be asked to leave/refused service if discovered carrying a gun in a gun free business.
Recently in Mississippi a law was passed that granted private businesses the right to refuse service for "religious" reasons. Basically read as, if the religious baker doesn't want to bake a cake for your big gay wedding then he doesn't have to. This was obviously met with tons of backlash and vitriol, and to my knowledge isn't a law in other states.
My question here, is there really a difference in the principle of these two rules?
Private business can deny you of your constitutional right to bear arms on their premises. That's cool. Private business can not deny you service based on your/their personal beliefs (in most states) That's not cool.
Not really looking for a morality/right or wrong debate..just wondering if any of you fellows smarter than me think that the principles here are pretty close, but the perceptions are entirely different.
Recently in Mississippi a law was passed that granted private businesses the right to refuse service for "religious" reasons. Basically read as, if the religious baker doesn't want to bake a cake for your big gay wedding then he doesn't have to. This was obviously met with tons of backlash and vitriol, and to my knowledge isn't a law in other states.
My question here, is there really a difference in the principle of these two rules?
Private business can deny you of your constitutional right to bear arms on their premises. That's cool. Private business can not deny you service based on your/their personal beliefs (in most states) That's not cool.
Not really looking for a morality/right or wrong debate..just wondering if any of you fellows smarter than me think that the principles here are pretty close, but the perceptions are entirely different.
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Posted on 4/22/16 at 8:33 am to Riseupfromtherubble
I didn't read any of that shite
Posted on 4/22/16 at 8:35 am to Riseupfromtherubble
A private business should be able to deny service to anyone that they choose, for whatever reason.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 8:36 am to Breesus
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I didn't read any of that shite
TLDR, but OP raises and interesting question.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 8:38 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Its good to be gay. Its not good to carry a gun.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 8:43 am to Salmon
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A private business should be able to deny service to anyone that they choose, for whatever reason.
That is a slippery slope. So if I go into a convenience store, they should be able to tell me to leave just because I'm white or short or a man?
Posted on 4/22/16 at 8:59 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
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That is a slippery slope. So if I go into a convenience store, they should be able to tell me to leave just because I'm white or short or a man?
Yes. If I opened up a business that only served white males, capitalism would do its work and I would go out of business (or make very little money). To succeed in owning a private business, you want to bring in more customers.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 9:00 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
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That is a slippery slope. So if I go into a convenience store, they should be able to tell me to leave just because I'm white or short or a man?
Pretty much.
There is already de facto discrimination Based simply upon what they sell.
You think many white men are shopping at a weave store? Are they discriminatory if they don't sell hair products for white men?
The gov't shouldn't have the power to tell businesses what they have to sell or to whom they have to sell.
That's the market's job.
This post was edited on 4/22/16 at 9:07 am
Posted on 4/22/16 at 9:02 am to Riseupfromtherubble
While I believe that a private business should be able to refuse service to whomever they want based on whatever they want
They actually aren't close, the right to bear arms is in the constitution, the right to force someone to bake you a penis/vagina/transgender cake is not.
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think that the principles here are pretty close
They actually aren't close, the right to bear arms is in the constitution, the right to force someone to bake you a penis/vagina/transgender cake is not.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 9:03 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
quote:absolutely.
That is a slippery slope. So if I go into a convenience store, they should be able to tell me to leave just because I'm white or short or a man?
Posted on 4/22/16 at 9:04 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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My question here, is there really a difference in the principle of these two rules?
No there is no difference in principle, and liberals will either deny it, or admit the hypocrisy but just not give a frick about being hypocrites.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 9:05 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
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That is a slippery slope. So if I go into a convenience store, they should be able to tell me to leave just because I'm white or short or a man?
Absolutely. Do you have a problem with that?
Posted on 4/22/16 at 9:05 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
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So if I go into a convenience store, they should be able to tell me to leave just because I'm white or short or a man?
Yes.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 9:13 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
For a conscience store? Yes.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 9:13 am to Riseupfromtherubble
They seem to be two sides of the same coin, but gun free zones also exists in public places, like schools and courthouses. The refusal based on religion wouldn't cut it in a public place, so it appears they are indeed different.
My personal beliefs notwithstanding, I can understand the counterargument that you're reopening the door for refusal based on race and gender as well. Without knowing the full nature of the law, what prevents a Catholic from refusing service to a Baptist, or vice versa.
Personally, I think it should be all or nothing. If you're a private business you should be allowed to do whatever you want with respect to who you serve. Maybe I'm naive, but I don't think there will be this onslaught of white only or men only establishments. I think the fear of widespread discrimination is overblown,but I also understand that argument holds water in court.
My personal beliefs notwithstanding, I can understand the counterargument that you're reopening the door for refusal based on race and gender as well. Without knowing the full nature of the law, what prevents a Catholic from refusing service to a Baptist, or vice versa.
Personally, I think it should be all or nothing. If you're a private business you should be allowed to do whatever you want with respect to who you serve. Maybe I'm naive, but I don't think there will be this onslaught of white only or men only establishments. I think the fear of widespread discrimination is overblown,but I also understand that argument holds water in court.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 9:27 am to SidewalkDawg
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TLDR, but OP raises and interesting question.
How do you know if you DR?
Posted on 4/22/16 at 9:31 am to ZBeaux10
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Yes. If I opened up a business that only served white males, capitalism would do its work and I would go out of business (or make very little money). To succeed in owning a private business, you want to bring in more customers.
Question? Are you paying for the roads that customers take to get to your business? Are you paying to keep a private fire department, police dept and medical/emergency staff? Chances are you are utilizing publicly funded services. So I pay taxes for these services for you to use for free, yet I cannot use your business? There should reasonable accommodation laws. Common sense stuff.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 9:34 am to WalkingTurtles
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So I pay taxes for these services for you to use for free, yet I cannot use your business?
Nope. Do you not understand the meaning of this word?
Posted on 4/22/16 at 9:36 am to WalkingTurtles
While I agree that businesses should be able to deny service, it could cause problems if one were to say, develop a cure for cancer then only give it to rich whites or refuse gays because of religion.
This post was edited on 4/22/16 at 9:48 am
Posted on 4/22/16 at 9:36 am to WalkingTurtles
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Chances are you are utilizing publicly funded services. So I pay taxes for these services for you to use for free, yet I cannot use your business? There should reasonable accommodation laws. Common sense stuff.
nobody is trying to deny anyone the use of public services, only private
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