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re: Pro's and Con's of installing a tankless water heater in attic

Posted on 1/5/21 at 4:24 pm to
Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
10724 posts
Posted on 1/5/21 at 4:24 pm to
quote:

Replacing where a tank water heater was at. Is the risk of the tankless water heater busting and leaking still there? Greater risk or same risk as tank water heater?

More efficiency of tankless? How much or negligible (electric not gas)


Had the same situation. I've had one in my attic for 15 years no issue. Don't know why it'd be any riskier..

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41866 posts
Posted on 1/5/21 at 4:28 pm to
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Isn't the shorter line distance and faster hot water one of the points of tankless system?


If you replace your tank heater with a tankless heater, there is no difference to speak of in delivery time. You still have to drain the same piping of cool water to deliver hot water at your faucet.

Now if you put the tankless heater closer to your faucet, hot water delivery would be faster, but the same thing is true if you put a tank heater closer to your faucet.

Delivery time is based on distance of the heater from the faucet and the pipe sizes.
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 9:37 am
Posted by reggo75
Iowa, LA
Member since Jan 2016
1433 posts
Posted on 1/5/21 at 5:02 pm to
quote:

If you replace your tank heater with a tankless heater, there is no difference to speak of in delivery time


This is correct.

I just replaced my 50gal Tank water heater with an electric tankless because my tank was leaking.

I was considering upgrading to an 80gal or possibly buying 2 40 or 50 gallon because with a household of 6 people we sometimes ran out of hot water.

When I compared the cost of an 80gal or 2x 50gal the Electric Tankless made more sense. There was some upgrade costs for my electrical connections because the Unit I purchased required 2x 2P 50A breakers. I am an electrician so I did that work myself.

The unit runs a tad colder than my old tank heater. The water temp was 118° on my old tank setting. I have to run the tankless on 120° to get close to the same output.

I did add a drain pan under the unit and plumbed that into the drain from the old tank heater.

I have not serviced the unit yet to determine any pain in the arse associated with that.

So far I REALLY like the change. Never run out of hot water now. I haven't noticed any changes in my electric bill.
Posted by Mariner
Mandeville, LA
Member since Jul 2009
2541 posts
Posted on 1/5/21 at 5:12 pm to
I have had one up there for 8 years. No issues.

The extra expense was paying for the long stainless steel pipe exhaust which exits the roof.

Get it because you want endless hot water and convenience. It does not save money on bills relative to its cost. My wife and I now take extra long showers for the comfort. And my kids love it as well. This adds up to negated savings.
Posted by Vestigial Morgan
Member since Apr 2016
3048 posts
Posted on 1/5/21 at 5:24 pm to
You got the amp service to handle it
Posted by Captain Crackysack
Member since Oct 2017
2231 posts
Posted on 1/5/21 at 5:25 pm to
Yeah they get as hot as whatever you set it too. And you never run out of hot water.
Posted by tes fou
Member since Feb 2014
962 posts
Posted on 1/5/21 at 5:30 pm to
I've got 2 that are plumbed in series, they operate as master/slave and provide unlimited hot water. Doesn't matter how many guests are here or what my wife is doing, I can take a hot shower for as long as I like.

The only factor that tends to be an issue is that a normal tank heater is about 50k BTU, for comparison a 5 ton a/c would have a 120k BTU furnace.

My tankless heaters are 200k BTU each. So with a 3ton A/C up and 5 ton A/C down my two heaters are 200k combined and the water heaters are 400k combined. The gas line in my attic is huge, most of the time the gas service in the attic won't be big enough to handle 4x the BTU requirement.
Posted by Mariner
Mandeville, LA
Member since Jul 2009
2541 posts
Posted on 1/5/21 at 5:41 pm to
The installer claimed it was illegal for him to raise the temp to above 120 degrees. And that is the max the dial on the outside box allows. I assume it is a liability issue. I read the manual and found you can open her up and trick flip it up to 140 degrees. I bumped it up to 130 and was burning up. Lowered it to 125 and it is perfect.
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41884 posts
Posted on 1/5/21 at 5:45 pm to
Con is if you don’t vent it properly it could shut off in the middle of the shower and your wet frigid naked arse has to climb up to the attic to reset it.....


Or so I’ve heard ...
Posted by tes fou
Member since Feb 2014
962 posts
Posted on 1/5/21 at 5:46 pm to
quote:

I read the manual and found you can open her up and trick flip it up to 140 degrees. I bumped it up to 130 and was burning up. Lowered it to 125 and it is perfect.


Same on mine, gotta get the manual out and find the override, especially in winter it helps to bump it up a few degrees.
Posted by Bamajedi
Member since Sep 2017
424 posts
Posted on 1/5/21 at 6:04 pm to
in regards to your question about alarm sensors. I have used some 9V powered water alarms with success. They are cheap and loud. Bought a 3pack from amazon for $20 or less. I have since changed over to water/flood sensors on my Simplisafe alarm system. The advantage to these are the phone calls when I'm not home and I have an alarm.
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
32600 posts
Posted on 1/5/21 at 6:12 pm to
Saw this thread.. when it works, its great. When it doesnt. It sucks, hard to find anyonr to work on them. Hard to find parts..i say this as someone with mine in the attic sitting here with it currently broke. 3rd time in 14 yrs. This is 2nd one, and about to have to buy another tomo
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
18834 posts
Posted on 1/5/21 at 6:13 pm to
Mine takes about 45 seconds for hot water. Kinda sucks but it never gets cold. Can take a 3 hour shower if I wanted to
Posted by csorre1
Member since Apr 2010
7046 posts
Posted on 1/5/21 at 6:26 pm to
quote:

Hurricane Zeta hit last year, power out for a day or so. Could still cook on gas cooktop, and never ran out of hot water from gas water heater tank.

Seems like if you lose power with tankless, you're out of luck.


I have two small UPS systems for my computers. Last time we lost power I just plugged the tankless gas water heaters into the UPS. It only uses power to run a small circuit board to manage the unit and an igniter. A $100 UPS had enough power to run the thing for hours.
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 6:30 pm
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
21627 posts
Posted on 1/5/21 at 9:00 pm to
I just don’t understand a water heater having to be in an attic. Any leaks and one is screwed.
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
17130 posts
Posted on 1/5/21 at 9:27 pm to
quote:

I just don’t understand a water heater having to be in an attic. Any leaks and one is screwed.



1. We don’t have basements here so they go in the attic to save space. You can put them on the main level if you want. But you lose that space.

2. There is a drain pain if a leak develops.

3. New constitution with pex will have plumbing in the attic anyway.
Posted by TxWadingFool
Middle Coast
Member since Sep 2014
5465 posts
Posted on 1/5/21 at 9:38 pm to
quote:

I only ask because I've floated adding them to different plumbers at two different houses and I think every one has suggested sticking with the tank


My plumber told me the same thing 18 years ago when we built. I vetoed his idea and had him install a tankless back then when they were very new to the market, the unit is going strong with hard well water running through it. He would have probably installed 3 or 4 tank heaters over that stretch. It's all about job security with the trades.
Posted by hottub
Member since Dec 2012
3652 posts
Posted on 1/5/21 at 9:55 pm to
We had 2 in the attic with no issues.
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
60645 posts
Posted on 1/5/21 at 10:50 pm to
Pros are that you simply never run out of hot water.

Cons are the higher initial cost.
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 1/5/21 at 10:58 pm to
You guys have me wanting to get a tankless. I didn't even know you could stick them outside. The side of my house that isn't seen is conveniently where the gas and the main water line comes in.

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