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re: Private Jet Owned by Former NASCAR Driver Greg Biffle Crashes in North Carolina.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 7:37 pm to AutoYes_Clown
Posted on 12/18/25 at 7:37 pm to AutoYes_Clown
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Biffle and Youtuber Cleetus McFarland are pretty close. Cleetus is hosting Christmas Tree Drag Race this weekend in Bradenton next to Sarasota. This plane might have been headed down for the race.
Sad, I watch Cleetus pretty often on YouTube and just watched a Biff video the other day.
Wonder if this will have an effect on Cleet's frequent use of planes/helicopters?
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Posted on 12/18/25 at 7:38 pm to PJinAtl
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the close call for Dale Jr and Amy
This is the plane they were on:
It's a miracle they walked away. He had his dad on his shoulder that day.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 7:43 pm to Tempratt
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I used to have the stupid-arse fantasy of learning to fly buying a nice TBM and fly my family around. No way in hell would I attempt that.
I have a buddy that has a TBM 700 and my wife won’t let me fly in it. One of my good friends was the sole survivor of a plane crash in College Station a few years back and now I’m not allowed in anything with one engine.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 7:45 pm to Lexis Dad
Again, my stalker pretty much immediately downvotes my posts.
Mods, either find this loser and tell him to knock it off or ban him, I don't care, but something needs to be done. shite has gotten ridiculous
I get downvoting for crappy takes but stalking a particular poster just to downvote each post has to be a violation of some sort.
Mods, either find this loser and tell him to knock it off or ban him, I don't care, but something needs to be done. shite has gotten ridiculous
I get downvoting for crappy takes but stalking a particular poster just to downvote each post has to be a violation of some sort.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 7:47 pm to Lexis Dad
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I get downvoting for crappy takes but stalking a particular poster just to downvote each post has to be a violation of some sort
Wear it as a badge of pride. You are so deep in that person's head you are fricking their medulla oblongata.
This post was edited on 12/18/25 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 12/18/25 at 8:10 pm to H2O Tiger
I have flown a good bit on a TBM, cool little planes. One trip I Was riding shotgun with a very professional pilot (retired widebody captain) departing right before a front flying into some nasty weather.
Maintenance guys had done some update and had the Garmin screens all pissed off and not talking to one another, throwing errors up and being obnoxious.
I quickly saw how so many guys without a lot of experience could get overwhelmed and allow the weather combined with a bunch of warnings and alarms to distract them while a perfectly good airplane turned itself into a lawn dart.
Small planes don’t bother me at all but amateur pilots do. Things happen very fast in a small turboprop/jet and the ability to stay calm and make sound decisions when there’s a problem is not a natural trait without experience and training.
Maintenance guys had done some update and had the Garmin screens all pissed off and not talking to one another, throwing errors up and being obnoxious.
I quickly saw how so many guys without a lot of experience could get overwhelmed and allow the weather combined with a bunch of warnings and alarms to distract them while a perfectly good airplane turned itself into a lawn dart.
Small planes don’t bother me at all but amateur pilots do. Things happen very fast in a small turboprop/jet and the ability to stay calm and make sound decisions when there’s a problem is not a natural trait without experience and training.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 8:28 pm to cgrand
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it’s estimated that there’s 1 fatality per 100,000 GA flight hours in the US every year
His question was more specific than just GA
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What about when you break it down to self owned private aviation?
I’m sure that’s worse than GA, but I don’t know if it’s as bad as driving a car.
ETA: Here are data:
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In the U.S., the automobile fatality rate is around 1.26 to 1.38 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled (VMT) for 2023,
Comparing that to 100,000 GA hours requires an assumption of miles per hour. This is a wild guess but I’ll use 250. So 1 fatality per 100,000 GA flight hours means one per one per 25 million miles. That would make it 1/3 as safe as driving a car.
But the poster above got to the nub of it; flying GA with a company like NetJets is safer than driving a car, while flying with an amateur pilot is much more dangerous, especially if that pilot is an entrepreneur or doctor.
This post was edited on 12/18/25 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 12/18/25 at 9:06 pm to H2O Tiger
The air nerds are starting to plug in the radar data into simulations.
Looks like it took off fine and they took a planned left turn while climbing and coming out of that turn something started going wrong. Losses of altitude with brief regaining altitude. They apparently briefly tried to work the problem before turning back.
Almost looks like there could have either been a problem with the horizontal stabilizer/elevators or possibly a compressor stall where they had to pull power and tried to reapply power and it would stall again.
Apparently it didn’t seem like something that was going to bring them down. They could have made the runway from the other direction. But they turned parallel to the runway and then circled back around to land the other direction. They never made it to the runway.
Looks like it took off fine and they took a planned left turn while climbing and coming out of that turn something started going wrong. Losses of altitude with brief regaining altitude. They apparently briefly tried to work the problem before turning back.
Almost looks like there could have either been a problem with the horizontal stabilizer/elevators or possibly a compressor stall where they had to pull power and tried to reapply power and it would stall again.
Apparently it didn’t seem like something that was going to bring them down. They could have made the runway from the other direction. But they turned parallel to the runway and then circled back around to land the other direction. They never made it to the runway.
This post was edited on 12/18/25 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 12/18/25 at 9:24 pm to Lexis Dad
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but stalking a particular poster just to downvote each post has to be a violation of some sort.
Eh, the rules are right there to read. Which one do you feel applies?
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I don't care, but something needs to be done. shite has gotten ridiculous
Why does something need to be done? What difference do the votes make? Mentioning it here just gives the loser some satisfaction.
Just go to the help board, start a thread about it, and lodge a complaint there. Any idea who it is or why?
Posted on 12/18/25 at 9:28 pm to SWLA92
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maintain an aircraft which this one was
Uuuuuuh...not so sure
Posted on 12/18/25 at 9:30 pm to tes fou
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Small planes don’t bother me at all but amateur pilots do. Things happen very fast in a small turboprop/jet and the ability to stay calm and make sound decisions when there’s a problem is not a natural trait without experience and training.
He's a good pilot but he's an entrepreneur. Has a second pilot when he flies for business.
The crash that my friend was in that killed his GF and her parents was due to the fact that he had just picked up the plane and was distracted by showing it to them. Didn't realize something was out of position. They never cleared the airport fence.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 9:31 pm to Giantkiller
Trust me, a lot of corporate jets are taken care of more than an airline’s fleet is which is only making money when it’s off the ground. If you wouldn’t feel comfortable flying your family and you were a pilot with the type rating of the aircraft you were flying then I’d say you probably shouldn't be a pilot then.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 9:34 pm to H2O Tiger
man that thing just looks antique
Posted on 12/18/25 at 10:06 pm to dukke v
Don’t get on a B-52. They are more than 60 years old!
USAF maintenance is preventive.
USAF maintenance is preventive.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 10:15 pm to Lynxrufus2012
They're nuts. I used to see them coming in to land at Barksdale and the thing looked like it was going to fall out of the sky it was going so slow.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 10:35 pm to BayouBengal51
Awful, and they say that model cessna is one of the more reliable jets safety wise…no thanks
God rest their souls
God rest their souls
Posted on 12/18/25 at 10:53 pm to CleverUserName
Eye witnesses say they heard a loud uncommon sound on takeoff.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 12:31 am to SWLA92
Man this really sucks.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 12:49 am to 777Tiger
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Chuck Yeager
I flew with him and we were really good friends. He could was an arse. But o only to people who were jerks.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 8:52 am to Lexis Dad
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Lexis Dad
Soft as baby shite
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