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re: Price per sq. ft. for a draftsman

Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:49 am to
Posted by 4WHLN
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:49 am to
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Anything else needed?

depends on the business and type of construction. Is it an interior build out, remodel or freestanding new construction?
Posted by J Murdah
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:49 am to
Thats why I am worried. GC can easily take advantage of half assed plans, and still charge you full price.

I guess people think that construction drawings are just like lego instructions.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 11:50 am
Posted by Will Cover
Davidson, NC
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:51 am to
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Is this an interior build-out?


Yes.

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Foundation, structural?


From what I know, I believe this will be handled by the general contractor that is overseeing the exterior shell of the build-out for this building and another building that is under construction.

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How about construction details, interior elevations, finish schedules, door/window schedules and details?


I don't have enough information to answer your question at that time. My buddy is at lunch and hasn't responded.

Posted by Will Cover
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:52 am to
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depends on the business and type of construction.


quote:

Is it an interior build out, remodel or freestanding new construction?


Interior build out only.

Sorry, I should have specified that earlier.
Posted by 4WHLN
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:57 am to
Interior build outs will have to have fire rated walls and Fire Marshal approval. Depending on the shell now, he will have to do foundation plans.
Like others have mentioned, he will need lots of information on the plans and we would need to know more about the business and the existing building.

Commercial is a whole different ballgame when it comes to plans. Your friend really needs to cover his arse here and make sure hes getting everything he needs.
Posted by Will Cover
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:59 am to


I'm going to send him the link to this thread and have him read it over.

Posted by eScott
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:05 pm to
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Interior build outs will have to have fire rated walls and Fire Marshal approval. Depending on the shell now, he will have to do foundation plans. 
Like others have mentioned, he will need lots of information on the plans and we would need to know more about the business and the existing building. 

Commercial is a whole different ballgame when it comes to plans. Your friend really needs to cover his arse here and make sure hes getting everything he needs.


This and more. When something goes wrong, and it will, you'll be tied up in a legal battle to see who's going to pay for it. Get an architect.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:09 pm to
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Price per sq. ft. for a draftsman


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Preliminary consultation
Scheme and general concept
Floor Plans
Heat, A/C, Electrical and Plumbing layout
Construction details for permit codes
Professional of Record Certification (Engineer Stamp)


If a draftsman gives you an engineer stamp that is not his, you might run into a host of legal and ethics problems.

If the design fails structurally, are you going to sue an engineer of record for whom you had no contract?

Not only that, but most engineers charge (at least up here) $2k-3k/drawing stamped, or roughly $100/hour.
Posted by Will Cover
Davidson, NC
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:10 pm to
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This and more. When something goes wrong, and it will, you'll be tied up in a legal battle to see who's going to pay for it. Get an architect.


I'm not an expert on this (or much of anything), but what I have read on here in the past (and of course almost any information is worth what you pay for it) ...

If it is an empty suite (and it is), the general consensus has been a commercial building contractor should be able to take care of build-out once plans are stamped. And the individual trades will take care of their permits and/or inspections.

This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 12:11 pm
Posted by Will Cover
Davidson, NC
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:14 pm to
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If a draftsman gives you an engineer stamp that is not his, you might run into a host of legal and ethics problems.


I do see your point, but I can't comment on what type of relationship this draftsman has with an engineer. I'm assuming that this isn't the first time they have done this, i.e. stamp from an engineer on draftsman's plans.

Is this common or not common in this industry?

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If the design fails structurally, are you going to sue an engineer of record for whom you had no contract?


Certainly something to think about for my friend.

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Not only that, but most engineers charge (at least up here) $2k-3k/drawing stamped, or roughly $100/hour.


I don't know enough to comment on what the going rate is in Louisiana.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:27 pm to
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I do see your point, but I can't comment on what type of relationship this draftsman has with an engineer. I'm assuming that this isn't the first time they have done this, i.e. stamp from an engineer on draftsman's plans.

Is this common or not common in this industry?



I know LAPELS doesnt like having people unqualified to mark up drawings hand them over to a 3rd party for review and seal. I know in NY this arrangement wouldnt fly, as the engineer is almost always telling the draftsman what to put on the plans, not the other way around.

The engineer of record is supposed to have "responsible charge" of all design documents and be accountable to the person for whom the work is being done.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:31 pm to
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To design a "box" type space, we've always thought that while an architect can certainly be worth their weight in gold, it would be overkill for this type of project.

Is your draftsman able to properly do heat load calcs to size the HVAC system correctly as well as assess all code requirements so you aren’t chasing the stamp from the engineer on the mechanical system?

If so, then he’s definitely worth what you’re paying him. Architects can be overkill, but you’re designing a building, not adding a room or building out a space.
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:47 pm to
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This post was edited on 2/16/25 at 1:17 pm
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:54 pm to
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Preliminary consultation 
Scheme and general concept 
Floor Plans 
Heat, A/C, Electrical and Plumbing layout 
Construction details for permit codes 
Professional of Record Certification (Engineer Stamp) 
As someone who works in a field that uses draftsmen, and even used to do it myself when I was younger, you'll need more than a draftsman for most of that. Most of that will need to be looked over by an architect or engineer, depending on what you're doing.

If you need some suggestions, just let me know and I can give you my email address and a few businesses to check out.

Eta - I reread it and just realized that a good draftsman should be able to do most of that. I was in traffic and on here at the same time and misread most of it. My question is, is this someone y'all personally know and he's doing it on his own time at home, or is it going to be someone doing it at their place of business?

If they're working out of a good office, pretty much all of this should be able to be accomplished. Even the stamp, if it's a good company. However, when most people think of draftsman, they don't think of all the abilities you listed, although the good ones are capable.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 1:04 pm
Posted by John Wayne
Baton Rouge, La
Member since May 2007
958 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:04 pm to
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locally, a draftsman can do the architectural


That may or may not be true. First of all, it depends on where the project is located. Secondly, it depends on the size and cost of construction.

We have a lot of projects come to us because someone hired a draftsman to do their plans and they can't get them permitted and or there isn't enough information in the drawings to get a good bid.

Also, it's illegal for a PE or an Architect to stamp drawings that were not created under their direct supervision.

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Is this an interior build-out?


This is another major factor in determining whether or not that's a fair price.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:07 pm to
Not trying to be a dick, but you are basically trying to get out of paying an engineer and an architect. So shouldn't any price under what they would cost, be a good price?
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:13 pm to
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Not trying to be a dick, but you are basically trying to get out of paying an engineer and an architect. 
That's what it kind of seems like to be honest. Your typical draftsman should be overlooked by an engineer or architect if they're trying to do all this.

Most draftsman are working to become one or the other, so while it may not be out of their capabilities, they may overlook some things that an engineer or architect wouldn't.
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:17 pm to
Some parishes will allow you to design it yourself as long as it is done exactly how the draftsman would have done it. Talk to his planing and zoning to see if it's allowed.
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:10 pm to
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This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 12:45 am
Posted by Will Cover
Davidson, NC
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:37 pm to
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Eta - I reread it and just realized that a good draftsman should be able to do most of that. I was in traffic and on here at the same time and misread most of it. My question is, is this someone y'all personally know and he's doing it on his own time at home, or is it going to be someone doing it at their place of business?


From what I understand, a relative of my friend has a relationship with this draftsman and recommended him to my friend. The relative says he does very good work and has used him numerous times for different projects, residential and commercial.

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If they're working out of a good office, pretty much all of this should be able to be accomplished. Even the stamp, if it's a good company. However, when most people think of draftsman, they don't think of all the abilities you listed, although the good ones are capable.


I just rechecked what I typed and everything that listed, supposedly this gentleman can do.

Ultimately, not my call - it is my friend's call. But he is supposedly reading this thread, so many thanks to you for offering to help.
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