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Price per sq. ft. for a draftsman

Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:24 am
Posted by Will Cover
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:24 am
Is $2.00 per total sq. ft. a reasonable price for quality work? This is for a commercial design.

My buddy isn't complaining. He understands that people have to get paid. He asked me and I have no idea.

So we're asking from those that more experience than we do if this a reasonable price in this industry?

Price is set to include:

Preliminary consultation
Scheme and general concept
Floor Plans
Heat, A/C, Electrical and Plumbing layout
Construction details for permit codes
Professional of Record Certification (Engineer Stamp)


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This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 11:25 am
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:25 am to
option B
Posted by J Murdah
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:27 am to
that is asking alot of a draftsman, they're not architects.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 11:28 am
Posted by jpainter6174
Boss city
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:27 am to
3.50$
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 11:29 am
Posted by Will Cover
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2007
38498 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:29 am to
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that is asking alot of a draftsman, they're not architects.


To design a "box" type space, we've always thought that while an architect can certainly be worth their weight in gold, it would be overkill for this type of project.

Posted by tketaco
Sunnyside, Houston
Member since Jan 2010
19387 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:29 am to
quote:

Preliminary consultation
Scheme and general concept
Floor Plans
Heat, A/C, Electrical and Plumbing layout
Construction details for permit codes
Professional of Record Certification (Engineer Stamp)


A draftsman or a Firm?

Just looks like a little over 2 months for lead time on all that.
Posted by 4WHLN
Drinking at the Cottage Inn
Member since Mar 2013
7579 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:29 am to
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commercial design.


Better do your homework here. Locally, a draftsman can do the architectural portion but mechanical, electrical and structural will all have to be handled by an engineer. Might have trouble finding an engineering firm willing to work with a draftsman due to them not having a License to back up their work.

To answer your question, $2 is good for a draftsman.
Posted by Will Cover
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2007
38498 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:30 am to
quote:

A draftsman or a Firm?


A draftsman.

This person has been in business for over 30 years.
Posted by J Murdah
Member since Jun 2008
39766 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:31 am to
You didnt specify what type of commercial project it was. Seems doable then, but dont expect them to be builder quality drawings.
Posted by Will Cover
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2007
38498 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:31 am to
quote:

Better do your homework here. Locally, a draftsman can do the architectural portion but mechanical, electrical and structural will all have to be handled by an engineer. Might have trouble finding an engineering firm willing to work with a draftsman due to them not having a License to back up their work.


I appreciate your help.

From what he has shared with my friend, he is partnered with several people in their lines of work (apparently he does this all the time) to obtain their working knowledge of what, where and how to put down on the plans.

quote:

To answer your question, $2 is good for a draftsman.


Posted by Will Cover
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2007
38498 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:33 am to
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You didnt specify what type of commercial project it was.


It is for a retail space.

quote:

Seems doable then, but dont expect them to be builder quality drawings.


I'm sure there will be some compromise, but I would assume that the plans that are given to my friend will still be of high quality and enough for a general contractor to follow?


Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:34 am to
That seems cheap if it includes plans, MEP, code review, and a professional stamp.
Posted by 4WHLN
Drinking at the Cottage Inn
Member since Mar 2013
7579 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:35 am to
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that is asking alot of a draftsman, they're not architects.

Not at all. Most Draftsman know just as much as Architects. It all comes down to the personal experiences of each. I see plenty of "Architects" just out of LSU and they can make something look pretty but struggle mightily at the inner working of construction.
Posted by Will Cover
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2007
38498 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:35 am to
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That seems cheap if it includes plans, MEP, code review, and a professional stamp.


Yes, according to the document that my friend snapped with his phone, all of this is included.
Posted by 4WHLN
Drinking at the Cottage Inn
Member since Mar 2013
7579 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:38 am to
quote:

From what he has shared with my friend, he is partnered with several people in their lines of work (apparently he does this all the time) to obtain their working knowledge of what, where and how to put down on the plans.

If this guy can provide your friend a complete working set of construction documents then I would not hesitate one bit. And by this I mean EVERYTHING needed for permits. That will very based on the business your friend wants to open.
Posted by J Murdah
Member since Jun 2008
39766 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:39 am to
Is the draftsman going to determine building materials and sizes or is that the job of the GC. You will need an engineer to review for permit drawings.

Personally I wouldnt feel comfortable with a draftsman determining what size steel beams are required or how thick the foundation needs to be.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101914 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:39 am to
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Yes, according to the document that my friend snapped with his phone, all of this is included.


Without knowing more, strikes me as you're getting a good deal.
Posted by J Murdah
Member since Jun 2008
39766 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:41 am to
quote:


Not at all. Most Draftsman know just as much as Architects. It all comes down to the personal experiences of each. I see plenty of "Architects" just out of LSU and they can make something look pretty but struggle mightily at the inner working of construction.
I disagree on the first part of your statement.
Posted by Will Cover
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2007
38498 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:41 am to
quote:

If this guy can provide your friend a complete working set of construction documents then I would not hesitate one bit. And by this I mean EVERYTHING needed for permits. That will very based on the business your friend wants to open.



My friend e-mailed me over a commercial business sample plan that his draftsman sent him over. And with the little knowledge that I have about plans, everything appears to be there.

It included the vicinity map, original floor plan, remodeled floor plan, plumbing and water supply plan, HVAC, lighting and power plan.

Anything else needed?
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101914 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:44 am to
quote:

My friend e-mailed me over a commercial business sample plan that his draftsman sent him over. And with the little knowledge that I have about plans, everything appears to be there.

It included the vicinity map, original floor plan, remodeled floor plan, plumbing and water supply plan, HVAC, lighting and power plan.

Anything else needed?


Is this an interior build-out? Foundation, structural? How about construction details, interior elevations, finish schedules, door/window schedules and details?
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