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Posted on 1/3/23 at 8:59 pm to Beef Tips
I used to wank to JC Penny as a young Baw ..think i’ll manage.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:04 pm to upgrayedd
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I didn’t downvote, but you could make the case that alcohol and firearms in the hands of young people with no impulse control is not a good thing. Porn and tobacco are generally self harming so I don’t think they require IDs like the others would.
So if 12 year old kids want to go into a store and buy a pack of smokes and a Hustler you’d be good with them buying it? Never mind the fact they can’t comprehend the longterm consequences of what tobacco and/or porn addiction will do to them.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:09 pm to Darth_Vader
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So if 12 year old kids want to go into a store and buy a pack of smokes and a Hustler you’d be good with them buying it?
Gen X was doing this in their youth. Only we were
taking our old man’s Playboys and Penthouse mags and buying Marlboro Reds from the big vending machine in every building lobby. For 75 cents a pack. And we don’t have near the problems the generations behind us seem to.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:12 pm to Darth_Vader
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If you want to buy tobacco, alcohol, or firearms you have to provide proof that you’re legally old enough to do so.
If you go to an adult store you still get carded. My issue is this is a fruitless endeavor that's so easy to get around to anyone with a minute understanding of tools at your disposal on the internet, plus sites not based in the US are still wide open and easily/readily accessible so what the frick is the point? This is ultimately pointless and any time and effort wasted on drawing and implementing this bill/law, no matter how small, could have been spent on more important matters.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:23 pm to Darth_Vader
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So if 12 year old kids want to go into a store and buy a pack of smokes and a Hustler you’d be good with them buying it? Never mind the fact they can’t comprehend the longterm consequences of what tobacco and/or porn addiction will do to them.
Not necessarily, but how many kids started smoking at 12 (probably more so 40-50 years ago when they could buy a pack of smokes) and had a nudie mag or two under their bed? A lot.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:25 pm to tigerinthebueche
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Gen X was doing this in their youth. Only we were taking our old man’s Playboys and Penthouse mags and buying Marlboro Reds from the big vending machine in every building lobby. For 75 cents a pack. And we don’t have near the problems the generations behind us seem to.
I am Gen-X, born in 1970. I remember how it was back in the day. And I’m so glad prom was not as accessible then as it is now.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:27 pm to Darth_Vader
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am Gen-X, born in 1970. I remember how it was back in the day. And I’m so glad prom was not as accessible then as it is now.
Porn definitely isn’t good for the brain, but they’re far from the only component that’s leading to the problems we see today.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:27 pm to upgrayedd
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Not necessarily, but how many kids started smoking at 12 (probably more so 40-50 years ago when they could buy a pack of smokes) and had a nudie mag or two under their bed? A lot.
You’re comparing apples to oranges. The world we grew up in is nothing like it is today. We never had an unlimited supply of every imaginable form of porn at our disposal 24/7.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:29 pm to WaterLink
quote:I don’t have a problem with that because it’s physical, they just check a plastic ID. This being tied to a digital ID (the abomination that is LA Wallet) opens up a whole new can of worms, whether it’s data breaches to worry about or an eventual Social Credit Score in this country. Bad things have often resulted from good intentions.
If you go to an adult store you still get carded.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:31 pm to Darth_Vader
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ou’re comparing apples to oranges. The world we grew up in is nothing like it is today. We never had an unlimited supply of every imaginable form of porn at our disposal 24/7.
Not really. Like I said, availability of porn is just one of dozens of components that are leading to the issues we see today. I don’t think prohibition is going to be the answer, especially if we give these lunatics in office more control over our daily lives. They’ll 100% use this as a jumping off point to justify even more big brother bullshite.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:33 pm to Darth_Vader
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And I’m so glad prom was not as accessible then as it is now.
Why? Would you have become a bigger freak than you are now? Do you think you’d have become an addict?
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:36 pm to CatholicLSUDude
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I’m surprised by how many people on this board don’t seem to get how horrible porn is for you.
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CatholicLSUDude
It's not about that.
Typical liberal catholic
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:44 pm to CatholicLSUDude
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I love this move. I wish they’d make it harder to access.
What happens when the government requires driver's license ID checks to visit a gun website? Or to watch gun/shooting range/hunting videos on Youtube?
What happens when you essentially have to assign a driver's license to your IP address simply to access the internet? What happens when the government has access to those data?
What happens when laws are created that reward people for visiting and browsing the "correct" sites, while punishing people who visit the "wrong" sites?
Does this not sound eerily familair to the way the internet works in, say...China?
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:49 pm to Cs
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What happens when you essentially have to assign a driver's license to your IP address simply to access the internet? What happens when the government has access to those data?
To be fair, they already do. These communication and tech companies will hand over any information the government requests without a fight and without the users knowledge.
The issue now is how this data screening will be used against you in daily life by private companies who couple with government agencies to push certain agendas.
Oh, you ate 3 pounds of red meat this week? Sorry, you can’t get on that Delta flight now. It’s not the government, it’s a private company and they can do what they want. Start your own airline if you don’t like it.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:51 pm to upgrayedd
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:52 pm to CatholicLSUDude
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So I’m down with treating it like drugs or alcohol.
Yep, cause that’s worked so good with getting drugs off the streets and stopping youth from recklessly abusing those substances…Incredible argument you got going there!
Almost like going around like a fascist and reactively banning every thing you subjectively consider a moral failing doesn’t actually achieve the ends you want. And in fact, often times just makes the problem much worse…I.E. America has the highest rates of alcoholism in the developed world, yet countries like France that allow kids to drink alcohol and are taught how to manage it at an early age have a fraction of the issues we do with it
This post was edited on 1/3/23 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:59 pm to upgrayedd
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To be fair, they already do. These communication and tech companies will hand over any information the government requests without a fight and without the users knowledge.
ISP's track user's browsing habits for ad and revenue purposes. They package the data, anonymize it, and sell bundles to ad agencies. Just like Facebook, Google, etc. They can generally command better prices as well because they can obtain more granular information.
If the government wants those data, they have to request warrants for any log and records from an individual's ISP. They have to go through the courts and have a reason for obtaining those records. Federal agencies have backdoor access to major social media sites, but that's different than controlling internet access for an individual to certain websites.
There's a difference between tracking and controlling. With this new policy, state legislators have created a law to conscript private companies into requiring government issued IDs for access to their websites. That's a bit different than an ISP selling your browsing data to third parties.
This post was edited on 1/3/23 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 1/3/23 at 10:01 pm to Cs
I posted the bill above you. It says the porn companies shall not retain the data, but is silent on La Wallet retaining data on which users it verifies for the porn companies.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 10:02 pm to Cs
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If the government wants those data, they have to request warrants for any log and records from an individual's ISP. They have to go through the courts and have a reason for obtaining those records. Federal agencies have backdoor access to major social media sites, but that's different that having or controlling access to an individual that doesn't use those sites.
I'm sure the process sounds far more complicated than it actually is. Hell, apparently they hand out FISA warrants like tic tacs if they want you bad enough.
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