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re: Pope John Paul II covered up child abuse as cardinal in Poland
Posted on 3/7/23 at 11:13 am to Loup
Posted on 3/7/23 at 11:13 am to Loup
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True, but if you allowed priests to get married and have a family you'd probably have a better recruiting pool to pull from.
This sounds great in theory but most don’t understand the time that the parish requires of its priests. To give the time required to the parish and the family would damn near be impossible.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 11:13 am to Bench McElroy
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Now the Spirit [a]expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 11:14 am to GreenRockTiger
Especially for a tool like G.I.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 11:15 am to SUB
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WTF are you talking about? The pedophile stuff in the church has been going on LONG before wokeness was a thing.
Priests raping kids is as old as the Bible itself. A child is safer in a gay bar than a catholic school.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 11:33 am to Stitches
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As a staunch Catholic, I think it's both. The pedophiles as well as the leftist priests and bishops allowing wokeness and liberal ideologies to creep into the liturgy should both be anathema.
I too am a staunch Catholic, it it really isn’t the church in the sense that the church is the body of Christ.
I agree that flawed and sometimes evil people are unfortunately put into positions where people are hurt within the organization of the Catholic Church. That has happened throughout history and in every organization or other church throughout history. I can think of few if any evils greater than one using Christ as a cover to further one’s own evil intention. It is abhorrent.
It is disappointing when things like this, which are absolute evil, pull people away from Christ, because they see bad priests as the church.
This post was edited on 3/7/23 at 11:34 am
Posted on 3/7/23 at 11:38 am to Cshaw91
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Maybe if the Catholic Church allowed their priests to marry there wouldn’t be so many goddamn pedohpiles in their ranks
It's 2023 and you still believe this? You think pedophiles don't get married?
I am willing to bet most pedophiles are married.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 11:47 am to STEVED00
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This sounds great in theory but most don’t understand the time that the parish requires of its priests. To give the time required to the parish and the family would damn near be impossible.
This.
Being a priest is a very hard life and you essentially have to devote yourself to Christ every waking hour of every day. For one, it takes about eight years of study in seminary to become a priest. When you graduate from seminary, you essentially have a doctorate in both philosophy and theology. And then once you get assigned to a parish, your day on the job will typically start at 5:30 AM with an hour of prayer, usually reciting the liturgy of the hours. Once that is over, you will need to start preparing for morning mass which will last for 45-50 minutes. Once that is done you will probably end up talking to at least one of your daily mass parishioners in need of guidance or absolution or even money. Once that is over, the priest will then change out of his ceremonial vestments and return to the sanctuary for more prayer, usually five decades of the Rosary. Once that is over and done with, the priest will finally sit down to breakfast.
With breakfast out of the way, the priest will then retire to his office in the parish center or, if there is a school adjacent to the church, go spend time with the elementary students running around on the playground. Priests still have to take care of administrative functions and other day-to-day items necessary for keeping a church and school up and running so for the rest of the morning and into the afternoon this is what will occupy a priest's time and energy. During this time, the priest might even be called out of the office to go visit a nursing home or hospice facility to administer communion to those too sick to go to church or administer final rites to those not long for this world. These appointments could take up most of the afternoon and oftentimes give the priest only an hour or so to return to the church to start preparing for evening mass. The early evening hours are usually taken up by another hour of prayer and reflection, followed by sitting in a confessional for an hour to administer the sacrament of penance. Then he administers another 45-50 minute mass which is once again followed by talking to and counseling his parishioners. By the time he gets done at the church, it's probably somewhere between 8:00 and 9:00 PM. He then goes home, says his prayers, and goes to sleep.
This pattern repeats itself every day, Tuesday-Friday. Saturday is not an off day as he is usually at the church early hearing confessions, saying a morning mass, and then hitting the road to visit sick parishioners or performing other functions his bishop commands until it's time to come back to church to prepare for the Saturday Vigil Mass. That one usually begins at 5 PM and lasts around an hour. Once that is done, he's stays behind once again to listen to the troubles and complaints his parishioners might have with life.
And Sunday? Sunday is taken up completely by prayer and the saying of mass. Depending on the size of the parish, a priest could say three masses in the morning in English and another in the afternoon in Spanish. Each one of those lasting an hour a piece.
Monday is typically the only day a priest gets as a day off. So for six days out of the week, Tuesday-Sunday, a priest gets very little downtown, spending the vast majority of his time either in prayer, saying mass, hearing confessions, or administering to his parishioners in some form or fashion.
This post was edited on 3/7/23 at 11:55 am
Posted on 3/7/23 at 11:47 am to Bench McElroy
It's well established that he was highly skeptical of abuse claims.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 12:00 pm to Jim Rockford
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There are married priests now.
There have been for a while. Married priests typically are men who were already married and ministers in a Protestant high church like the Lutheran, Anglican, or Presbyterian tradition. You cannot be married with no theological background and then decide to become a priest.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 12:19 pm to SuperSaint
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Go ahead and let your kid go on Christian rock and roll concert trips with the youth pastor in his bedazzled skinny jeans and spiked gel hair
What does that have to do with churches being able to provide a preacher for a funeral?
Posted on 3/7/23 at 12:33 pm to brett408
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I too am a staunch Catholic, it it really isn’t the church in the sense that the church is the body of Christ.
I agree. I was referring to the "church" as it's fallible leaders rather than the infallible Church itself.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 12:47 pm to Stitches
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I agree. I was referring to the "church" as it's fallible leaders rather than the infallible Church itself.
We are on the same page. It irks me when people try to defame Christ and his one true original church because of the evils of men.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 1:04 pm to Cshaw91
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Maybe if the Catholic Church allowed their priests to marry there wouldn’t be so many goddamn pedohpiles in their ranks
Plenty of pedophiles are married dudes. The biggest problem is people continuing to join cults in the year 2023.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 2:02 pm to brett408
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It irks me when people try to defame Christ and his one true original church because of the evils of men.
They're not. They're talking about the Catholic church.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 2:16 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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They're not. They're talking about the Catholic church.
The Catholic Church is the church that Christ founded on earth. There is no disputing it.
Matthew 16:18: “You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build MY church”
Peter was and is the first pope. He is buried in St Peter’s Basilica in the Vatican.
That is not to say that other Christian denominations are invalid. Catholicism is factually the original church.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 4:36 pm to brett408
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The Catholic Church is the church that Christ founded on earth. There is no disputing it.
Matthew 16:18: “You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build MY church”
Peter was and is the first pope. He is buried in St Peter’s Basilica in the Vatican.
That is not to say that other Christian denominations are invalid. Catholicism is factually the original church.

Posted on 3/7/23 at 6:23 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
LittleJerrySeinfield, either you are not a Christian or are not a Christian that believes in the accuracy of the New Testament of the Bible. Jesus was very clear about the rock upon which He would build His church.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 6:51 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
Jesus of Niceancouncil was a great man.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 8:45 pm to brett408
Jesus was very clear. The rock was Peter’s statement that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the Living God.
Peter was retroactively deemed the first Pope a couple of centuries after his death. He even referred to himself as a “fellow bishop”. Him being the sole authority of the early church would have been news to him.
Peter was retroactively deemed the first Pope a couple of centuries after his death. He even referred to himself as a “fellow bishop”. Him being the sole authority of the early church would have been news to him.
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