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Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:38 am to goofball
I’m sure billigan or whatever his name is will tell us we are all wrong.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:42 am to goofball
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Laws to ban gas-powered cars are already being implemented in the state of California, which is seeking to phase out all gas vehicles in the state over the next few years.
Laws being implemented to phase out all gas vehicles over the next few years?
I'm familiar with the ban of the sale of gas powered new cars in 2035 but not an outright ban of gas powered vehicles in the next few years.
Did California pass some new legislation?
Regardless, I'd imagine if the car you own is not EV, you would be opposed to this.
This post was edited on 10/6/22 at 7:35 am
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:42 am to stelly1025
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At this point in time if you live in a city and do not travel or haul heavy loads than an EV would work okay for you. Hauling Cargo nope ,and long distance you will get there eventually.
Well add off street parking and not living in a multi unit dwelling.
While a city like New Orleans a little vehicle run on electricity is enough to get around and park and would be practical.
Where the frick are you charging it if you live in an apartment building? Or you rent in a multi unit house with no off street parking?
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 11:44 am
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:43 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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By contrast, just 25.5 percent answered with “focus new energy investments on renewables like solar and wind.”
Nuclear...
The word they're looking for is nuclear.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:48 am to cyarrr
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Laws being implemented to phase out all gas vehicles over the next few years?
Few years is wrong, but banning the sale of gas vehicles and trucks is a thing.
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Responding to news reports of California’s action, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee said his state would follow suit and “adopt California’s regs by end of this year.” Massachusetts and Virginia also are poised to also adopt bans on gasoline vehicles by 2035 because of trigger laws that automatically follow California’s lead on clean transportation. (Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin has said he will try to repeal the law, which was signed by his predecessor.) The states are joining New York, which passed a similar law last year banning the sale of gasoline-powered cars and light trucks by 2035, and then expanding the ban to cover heavy trucks by 2045.
So that’s 5 states wanting to do this.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:53 am to IamPatman
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agree the 2020 election was fair and legitimate
Actually majority of Americans don’t agree on this one.
Some of the others I don’t know. I actually don’t think the majority of Americans want legal recreational weed. I could be wrong.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:56 am to goofball
I dont like EV but could support hybrids. If electric works for short trips but you have the option of ICE to keep going thats fine.
I dont drive a lot each day and the hybrid would be fine for me, but some times I drive hundreds of miles (sometimes towing a trailer that weighs 15,000 pounds) and need gas to make it there in a reasonable amount of time.
I dont drive a lot each day and the hybrid would be fine for me, but some times I drive hundreds of miles (sometimes towing a trailer that weighs 15,000 pounds) and need gas to make it there in a reasonable amount of time.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 11:59 am to tiggerthetooth
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You don't need marijuana to drive to work or get groceries or take your kids to school
Depends on what kind of day you are having.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:01 pm to dgnx6
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Well add off street parking and not living in a multi unit dwelling.
While a city like New Orleans a little vehicle run on electricity is enough to get around and park and would be practical.
Where the frick are you charging it if you live in an apartment building? Or you rent in a multi unit house with no off street parking?
I live in a city bigger than New Orleans and you are seeing charging stations pop up everywhere from along the street to parking lots in shopping centers. More and more apartments buildings are also building charging spots the problem is you have to thoroughly plan around charging if you do not have capabilities for your own. With an ICE you can gas and go in less than 2 minutes. Even if you have space you still need to plan. Until range is extended significantly with weight or charging time is significantly reduced than gas/diesel powered vehicles will still be king and I see that being a long time.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:02 pm to dgnx6
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I’m sure billigan or whatever his name is will tell us we are all wrong.
If you'r talking about me, this is yet another super shitty take. I don't support elimination of ICE or forced EV role outs. I'm also not an environmentalist and would get hung by most greenies if they knew how many wells I've fracked. I drive 2 gas guzzlers (GX and GTR). I only jump in EV threads because I understand the tech better than most from all the work I've done with Tesla and many of the points made against EVs are fundamentally wrong.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:03 pm to dgnx6
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Few years is wrong, but banning the sale of gas vehicles and trucks is a thing.
Yep, California banning the sale of gas powered cars will set a standard that adversely affects the rest of the country.
However, I was just pointing out that the article is misleading in that it's not an outright ban but a ban on the sale of new vehicles. Moreover, as you stated, it does not become effective until 2035.
That said, the result will be the same eventually.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:27 pm to goofball
Banning fossil fuels for cars or energy production is economic suicide
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:35 pm to goofball
I wonder how many people realize just how expensive owning a EV is going to be? A minor wreck will turn into an insurance battle if the battery gets whacked- that is, if you don't get incinerated as a result....
Unless they can figure out a way to have high-speed charging stations similar to gas stations in both design and time it takes to recharge, this is going to be a mega-disaster. America is a far different place than the Euro market...
Either way, this is going to really hand more control over to the Chinese. We make nothing and do very little to aid in the availability of components for these batteries....
Unless they can figure out a way to have high-speed charging stations similar to gas stations in both design and time it takes to recharge, this is going to be a mega-disaster. America is a far different place than the Euro market...
Either way, this is going to really hand more control over to the Chinese. We make nothing and do very little to aid in the availability of components for these batteries....
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:35 pm to goofball
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Poll: Overwhelming majority of Americans do not support banning gas powered cars
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:43 pm to Masterag
I don't generally take the time for this because it is futile endeavor on here, but I will make an occasional exception.
Agreed, and this applies to both sides of the American political spectrum
Some fail and some are highly successful e.g. NATO, Womens right to vote, Civil Rights Act, FEMA, Social Security, Medicare * Medicaid, etc. Success is not based on your opinion of the policy and both parties are equally checkered in success and failures...not just one or the other e.g. War on drugs, trickle down, Vietnam, Iraq, etc.
This argument from you can only come from either a lack of will or mental capability...or maybe both. Put down the video game controller and do a little research and please follow the sourcing e.g. job resumes with traditionally white-sounding names received 50% more callbacks than those with traditionally Black names, black Americans and white Americans use drugs at similar rates, but Black Americans are at nationally 6 times more likely to be arrested for it, much higher in certain locations below the Mason Dixon. Black men in the US receive sentences that are 19.1% longer than those of white men convicted for the same crimes. Much financial inequality also evidenced in loan approvals and property appraisals with financials being equal.
Your ability to comprehend complicated issues does not determine their accuracy.
I obey what is observed, hypothesized, theorized, measured and evaluated to best determine the most probable truth.
Wrong, it is just not given in the echo chambers where you get most of your information e.g. The OT
Agree completely, may I present Exhibit A
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Most people are gullible and don’t take time to think about issues past the emotional phase. They operate with very low information.
Agreed, and this applies to both sides of the American political spectrum
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The left always comes up with “bold” ideas, but they’re never held to account when those ideas ultimately fail.
Some fail and some are highly successful e.g. NATO, Womens right to vote, Civil Rights Act, FEMA, Social Security, Medicare * Medicaid, etc. Success is not based on your opinion of the policy and both parties are equally checkered in success and failures...not just one or the other e.g. War on drugs, trickle down, Vietnam, Iraq, etc.
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There is literally no reason to think POC face extreme racism and discrimination. What even constitutes extreme racism and discrimination, and where is your hard evidence for it?
This argument from you can only come from either a lack of will or mental capability...or maybe both. Put down the video game controller and do a little research and please follow the sourcing e.g. job resumes with traditionally white-sounding names received 50% more callbacks than those with traditionally Black names, black Americans and white Americans use drugs at similar rates, but Black Americans are at nationally 6 times more likely to be arrested for it, much higher in certain locations below the Mason Dixon. Black men in the US receive sentences that are 19.1% longer than those of white men convicted for the same crimes. Much financial inequality also evidenced in loan approvals and property appraisals with financials being equal.
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I don’t think most people even understand what climate change is or is supposed to do because nobody ever articulates what it actually means or how much of an impact it will have.
Your ability to comprehend complicated issues does not determine their accuracy.
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If you choose to obey a bunch of jet setting hypocrites in private jets who spew more co2 in an avg week than the avg American in 10 years, then you are a fool.
I obey what is observed, hypothesized, theorized, measured and evaluated to best determine the most probable truth.
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The left always says things, but never backs it up nor receives pushback from the media.
Wrong, it is just not given in the echo chambers where you get most of your information e.g. The OT
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We have a fundamental lack of wisdom and curiosity in this country and an unhealthy trust in government officials.
Agree completely, may I present Exhibit A
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Masterag
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:43 pm to deltaland
Problem here is that they want to ban fossil fuels for cars and from energy production.
So they are making the means to charge electric vehicles very expensive and difficult while also trying to regulate ICE cars out of existence.
We need to embrace nuclear and natural gas. If you want EVs, you want nukes and natural gas power plants.
So they are making the means to charge electric vehicles very expensive and difficult while also trying to regulate ICE cars out of existence.
We need to embrace nuclear and natural gas. If you want EVs, you want nukes and natural gas power plants.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:52 pm to IamPatman
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FEMA, Social Security, Medicare * Medicaid
I find it interesting that you not only pointed all the government assistance programs, but went on to spew common CNN talking points about why the black man is oppressed and why us whiteys should help them out.
Go back to reddit, your echochamber talking points don't work.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 1:22 pm to dgnx6
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Actually majority of Americans don’t agree on this one.
Some of the others I don’t know. I actually don’t think the majority of Americans want legal recreational weed. I could be wrong.
You are wrong on all. You understand that because everyone you talk to does not believe the election was fair and legal does not mean that is how the entire country feels. Look up the polls from any reputable polling source e.g. Pew, Quinnipiac, etc. You will find some at 75/25 and lowest is 60/40 believe all was fair and legal.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 1:23 pm to AllDayEveryDay
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I find it interesting that you not only pointed all the government assistance programs, but went on to spew common CNN talking points
I find nothing about you interesting at all
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