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Police departments that collect more fines and fees solve less crimes
Posted on 9/24/18 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 9/24/18 at 2:57 pm
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Examining nearly 6,000 cities’ finance and crime data for each of the two studied years, we find a strong link between revenue collection and clearance rates. Police departments in cities that collect a greater share of their revenue from fees, fines and civilly forfeited assets have significantly lower rates of solving violent and property crimes.
We suspect that this comes simply from how these police departments focus their time and resources. Departments that need to collect fee and fine revenue shift their officers away from investigatory work. That’s especially true in smaller cities, where we found an especially clear link: Higher revenue from fees and fines meant fewer violent crimes solved. Cities with smaller departments and fewer resources are less likely to have specialized investigators, so when patrol officers are collecting revenue, they’re not investigating more serious crimes.
Examining nearly 6,000 cities’ finance and crime data for each of the two studied years, we find a strong link between revenue collection and clearance rates. Police departments in cities that collect a greater share of their revenue from fees, fines and civilly forfeited assets have significantly lower rates of solving violent and property crimes.
We suspect that this comes simply from how these police departments focus their time and resources. Departments that need to collect fee and fine revenue shift their officers away from investigatory work. That’s especially true in smaller cities, where we found an especially clear link: Higher revenue from fees and fines meant fewer violent crimes solved. Cities with smaller departments and fewer resources are less likely to have specialized investigators, so when patrol officers are collecting revenue, they’re not investigating more serious crimes.
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Posted on 9/24/18 at 2:59 pm to DavidTheGnome
No shite sherlock
Posted on 9/24/18 at 2:59 pm to DavidTheGnome
just like wasting money on a study like this is pointless because it is obvious.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 3:03 pm to DavidTheGnome
This sounds reasonably true for a few reasons.
1. Smaller departments see less real crime , so the officers simply have more time to spend writing tickets than officers in high crime areas.
2. LEOs who see less real crime are not going to be as good at solving that crime when they do see it
3. Larger departments have specialized people and equipment to do deal with investigations that are unavailable to smaller departments.
1. Smaller departments see less real crime , so the officers simply have more time to spend writing tickets than officers in high crime areas.
2. LEOs who see less real crime are not going to be as good at solving that crime when they do see it
3. Larger departments have specialized people and equipment to do deal with investigations that are unavailable to smaller departments.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 3:04 pm to CarRamrod
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just like wasting money on a study like this is pointless because it is obvious.
Prosecutor:
"As you can see, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the defendant is guilty of this crime because it is obvious, and ; therefore, was pointless to perform any sort of investigation to prove guilt."
Jury:
"Not guilty based on lack of evidence."
This post was edited on 9/24/18 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 9/24/18 at 3:05 pm to DavidTheGnome
St. Gabriel PD must solve zero crimes then
Posted on 9/24/18 at 3:11 pm to DavidTheGnome
More public tax enforcement than public safety enforcement
Posted on 9/24/18 at 3:15 pm to DavidTheGnome
*CoughWalkerCough*
Posted on 9/24/18 at 3:15 pm to DavidTheGnome
This is what happens when you turn your attention to making money instead of solving crimes.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 3:15 pm to DavidTheGnome
This is always the prime example of governmental accounting failures.
Dedicating more time/resources to solving and preventing actual crime vs. being revenue collectors benefits the department (and the municipal coffers) in the long run as safer communities have higher property values (more property taxes) and collect more sales taxes.
Dedicating more time/resources to solving and preventing actual crime vs. being revenue collectors benefits the department (and the municipal coffers) in the long run as safer communities have higher property values (more property taxes) and collect more sales taxes.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 3:21 pm to DavidTheGnome
I have not seen a PD "solve" a crime in a long, long, long, long, long time.
Having a suspect walk up, turn themselves in, confess to all...that is NOT solving a case. That's grandstanding by claiming a solve.
Having a suspect call in and say: "I confess, come get me." Not a solve. Neither is having crimestoppers tip a solve. Basically someone saying: "He's here, come get him."
I guess the couple of West Coast DNA from trash matched against commercial genealogy databases might count as solves. Dumpster diving and database mining??? kinda sorta, also kinda iffy and scummy. Not much more "solving" than swabbing all arrests and entering into database turning up a match.
Lazy assed policing getting lucky which actually interrupts their revenue generation is what most "solved cases" consists of lately.
Having a suspect walk up, turn themselves in, confess to all...that is NOT solving a case. That's grandstanding by claiming a solve.
Having a suspect call in and say: "I confess, come get me." Not a solve. Neither is having crimestoppers tip a solve. Basically someone saying: "He's here, come get him."
I guess the couple of West Coast DNA from trash matched against commercial genealogy databases might count as solves. Dumpster diving and database mining??? kinda sorta, also kinda iffy and scummy. Not much more "solving" than swabbing all arrests and entering into database turning up a match.
Lazy assed policing getting lucky which actually interrupts their revenue generation is what most "solved cases" consists of lately.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 3:22 pm to rondo
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St. Gabriel PD must solve zero crimes then
LOL there are a couple of those here in Arkansas as well. This one little shite hole on 65 between Conway and Harrison is particularly hilarious. Damascus AR those assholes gave me a ticket back in the day for doing 63 in a 60 LOL. In 2017 they actually were officially labeled a speed trap by a state judge. Just analying one years worth of tickets it was determined that 75% of people ticketed that year were doing withi 4 miles of the speed limit.
Probably a perfect hamlet to kill someone in though, Barney Fife couldn't solve shite.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 3:26 pm to Sasquatch Smash
quote:
just like wasting money on a study like this is pointless because it is obvious.
Prosecutor:
"As you can see, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the defendant is guilty of this crime because it is obvious, and ; therefore, was pointless to perform any sort of investigation to prove guilt."
Jury:
"Not guilty based on lack of evidence."
Jury is told they are the ones paying for this study and reverse their decision.
Come one dummy you cant compare this to a trial. You com pare this to the traffic studies in BR.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 3:27 pm to DavidTheGnome
How do you think they all retire at 40 and get another gig and draw two paychecks?
Posted on 9/24/18 at 3:28 pm to DavidTheGnome
quote:
Examining nearly 6,000 cities’ finance and crime data for each of the two studied years, we find a strong link between revenue collection and clearance rates. Police departments in cities that collect a greater share of their revenue from fees, fines and civilly forfeited assets have significantly lower rates of solving violent and property crimes.
I find this assertion shocking.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 3:33 pm to CarRamrod
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Jury is told they are the ones paying for this study and reverse their decision.
Come one dummy you cant compare this to a trial. You com pare this to the traffic studies in BR.
I'm a "dummy" because I know that things (legislation, policies, etc.) can't be or shouldn't be changed because of opinions and anecdotal accounts?
However, things can get out of hand like all the Baton Rouge traffic studies.
Edit to add: This study concerning police departments had nothing to do with my analogy of why your point is incorrect. Your rebuttal proved nothing...because you didn't properly investigate.
This post was edited on 9/24/18 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 9/24/18 at 3:39 pm to DavidTheGnome
So depts that spend more time collecting and serving spend less time protecting and serving?
You don’t say.
You don’t say.
Posted on 9/24/18 at 3:50 pm to Sasquatch Smash
quote:
I'm a "dummy" because I know that things (legislation, policies, etc.) can't be or shouldn't be changed because of opinions and anecdotal accounts?
However, things can get out of hand like all the Baton Rouge traffic studies.
Edit to add: This study concerning police departments had nothing to do with my analogy of why your point is incorrect. Your rebuttal proved nothing...because you didn't properly investigate.
you sound like one of those people who promote frivolous spending. Your tone is eerily similar to ambulance chasers.
This post was edited on 9/24/18 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 9/24/18 at 3:53 pm to DavidTheGnome
quote:
Police departments that collect more fines and fees solve less crimes
This. If you want to know how Jews felt in hitlers Germany go to a restaurant and drink a couple glasses of wine
Posted on 9/24/18 at 4:29 pm to DavidTheGnome
That’s why there is no CSI:Krotz Springs?
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