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re: Plane crash in Palm Beach County today
Posted on 11/7/26 at 1:00 pm to KosmoCramer
Posted on 11/7/26 at 1:00 pm to KosmoCramer
CVR came on the plane. FDR was not required.
CVR should contain warning horns, alarms, and chatter between the pilots. I don’t want to hear the passengers if that’s on there, I’m out.
CVR should contain warning horns, alarms, and chatter between the pilots. I don’t want to hear the passengers if that’s on there, I’m out.
Posted on 11/7/26 at 1:09 pm to Btrtigerfan
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I don’t want to hear the passengers if that’s on there, I’m out.
What about passenger compartment video?
Posted on 11/7/26 at 2:42 pm to Btrtigerfan
How much chatter from the passengers could there be? That flight ended about two minutes after the first indication of flight upset trouble.
Posted on 11/7/26 at 2:45 pm to Champagne
People, including children, reacting in all out terror as they plummet into the ground at near the speed of sound?
Posted on 11/7/26 at 6:29 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Nice
Posted on 11/7/26 at 6:43 pm to lucaslsu
Was this the crash where the teenager DEI female pilot burned in while texting her BF?
Posted on 11/8/26 at 2:39 am to Strannix
No. There was a 20 year old co pilot who wasn't in command. People said she was flying but she was just on the radio doing copilot tasks
This post was edited on 11/8/26 at 9:39 am
Posted on 11/8/26 at 7:03 am to SoFla Tideroller
Nine souls exited that aircraft upon impact. The most gut wrenching audio I've ever heard.
It appears the Pilot tried to penetrate that storm, realized he was in trouble, got clearance and attempted to climb above the storm - they didn't get far. The icing overwhelmed the aircraft's anti-icing capability and the aircraft stalled. The nose went down and the aircraft fell like a brick
Even as she fought her own terror, that brave Co-pilot kept ATC informed about what was happening to that aircraft.
As horrific as this crash was it could have been a lot worse, especially for those folks in that manufactured housing park.
I hope some good comes out of this disaster. Like maybe FAA rules governing pilots approaching severe developing storms. Seems to me that Pilot took one chance to many.
Heartbreaking audio. Prayers for the families.
It appears the Pilot tried to penetrate that storm, realized he was in trouble, got clearance and attempted to climb above the storm - they didn't get far. The icing overwhelmed the aircraft's anti-icing capability and the aircraft stalled. The nose went down and the aircraft fell like a brick
Even as she fought her own terror, that brave Co-pilot kept ATC informed about what was happening to that aircraft.
As horrific as this crash was it could have been a lot worse, especially for those folks in that manufactured housing park.
I hope some good comes out of this disaster. Like maybe FAA rules governing pilots approaching severe developing storms. Seems to me that Pilot took one chance to many.
Heartbreaking audio. Prayers for the families.
This post was edited on 11/8/26 at 7:13 am
Posted on 11/8/26 at 8:28 am to GeorgePaton
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As horrific as this crash was it could have been a lot worse, especially for those folks in that manufactured housing park.
Amazing how little land they were flying over for the planned flight route, yet still crashed on land.
Not that they would have survived impact with the water.
Posted on 11/8/26 at 9:10 am to East Coast Band
I recall a condition called "hurry'up-itis" may have contributed to this unfortunate accident. As in a rush to get to the destination the pilot took chances.
Reminded me of that Braniff Airways Flight 352 that crashed south of Dallas back on May 3,1968. All 80 passengers and 5 crew members died. If you listen to the transmissions between ATC and the Captain you can sense the disaster developing. As the flight approaches a developing severe storm, ATC tells the captain all flights are diverting to the east to get around the storm. This pilot maintains his course west. That decision proved fatal. He flys directly into the storm, sees a hole develop in the storm and attempts to fly through it - the hole closes on him. He realizes he's in trouble and request and is granted a 180 degree course correction. Too late.
But just prior to entering into this unfortunate situation, the Captain delivers a message to his passengers, thanking them for flying Braniff and reminding the passengers that Braniff was leading the industry in on-time arrivals.
The cockpit voice recorder captured the warning signals going off in the cockpit.
Hurry'up-itis.
Reminded me of that Braniff Airways Flight 352 that crashed south of Dallas back on May 3,1968. All 80 passengers and 5 crew members died. If you listen to the transmissions between ATC and the Captain you can sense the disaster developing. As the flight approaches a developing severe storm, ATC tells the captain all flights are diverting to the east to get around the storm. This pilot maintains his course west. That decision proved fatal. He flys directly into the storm, sees a hole develop in the storm and attempts to fly through it - the hole closes on him. He realizes he's in trouble and request and is granted a 180 degree course correction. Too late.
But just prior to entering into this unfortunate situation, the Captain delivers a message to his passengers, thanking them for flying Braniff and reminding the passengers that Braniff was leading the industry in on-time arrivals.
The cockpit voice recorder captured the warning signals going off in the cockpit.
Hurry'up-itis.
This post was edited on 11/8/26 at 9:26 am
Posted on 11/8/26 at 11:18 am to GeorgePaton
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Hurry'up-itis.
Of course every storm is different, but for them to fully go around the storm they would have added significant time to get there, further I believe there was some conversation about whether they had enough fuel to fly very far around.
What ended up happening is they tried to fly around the bulk of the storm, but unfortunately a very small cell formed directly in their altered path
Posted on 11/8/26 at 12:38 pm to Btrtigerfan
Posted on 11/9/26 at 5:42 pm to Btrtigerfan
The Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) has been located by the NTSB at the impact site and is being evaluated at the lab in DC
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 11/9/26 at 5:45 pm to The Pirate King
Amazing that anything could survive that crash intact.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 5:52 pm to The Pirate King
Uh so those that would know how does that CVR look? Looks split in half and caked with dirt?
Posted on 11/9/26 at 6:00 pm to GeorgePaton
There probably should be a safety rating given to every private plane pilot. Maybe infractions could remain on his record for 3 years and if you get 3 you get suspended. It would of course need to be easily available to any passengers.
After hearing what was likely the same crew, on the same plane, doing something eerily similar just a few weeks earlier, it’s really quite concerning he would fly into a storm again so soon afterwards.
Thinking of the passengers, who surely thought they were in good hands, boarding a plane that would be piloted by such a reckless crew is heartbreaking.
After hearing what was likely the same crew, on the same plane, doing something eerily similar just a few weeks earlier, it’s really quite concerning he would fly into a storm again so soon afterwards.
Thinking of the passengers, who surely thought they were in good hands, boarding a plane that would be piloted by such a reckless crew is heartbreaking.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 6:07 pm to shutterspeed
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Amazing that anything could survive that crash intact.
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 11/9/26 at 6:08 pm to jlovel7
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Uh so those that would know how does that CVR look? Looks split in half and caked with dirt?
I don't know about this one particularly, but they're almost always beat to shite. This one looks to be in pretty good shape considering. They're made to withstand insane forces and temperatures.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 6:29 pm to jlovel7
I have handled and downloaded several after minor incidents and they are very well made. The early models recorded on tape and could be difficult to recover data after major accidents.
For those that aren’t aware, there are three zones that receive data. The pilots headset, the second officer headset and an area mic mounted usually somewhere on the dash panel. The area mic is sensitive enough to capture switches being turned on and off as well as changes in power settings.
For those that aren’t aware, there are three zones that receive data. The pilots headset, the second officer headset and an area mic mounted usually somewhere on the dash panel. The area mic is sensitive enough to capture switches being turned on and off as well as changes in power settings.
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