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re: Plane collides with helicopter over Reagan International Airport; Looking in Potomac

Posted on 2/2/25 at 7:03 pm to
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23424 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 7:03 pm to
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And this was a great application of visual separation. So many people keep talking about vertical separation in this incident. 100’ separation from a descending aircraft is a terrible plane. Pass behind traffic was a winning plan. The helo crew failed.


I agree, but what I was suggesting was there’s built in redundancy. Systems are going to fail. Training is going to fail. But you have built in redundancy to help when one of multiple steps failed.

There was a crash because of at least 3 issues:
1.) helo was at the wrong altitude
2.) helo verified Visual and obviously didn’t.
3.) helo did not change course to go behind any aircraft. Even if the wrong aircraft was seen by the helo, they confirmed to change course and never did

If one of those 3 happens, we don’t have a crash. The reason you have 1 is because occasionally 2 or 3 will not happen just like it did and humans will error.
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
9695 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 8:29 pm to
blaming the helo crew is pretty useless cause they are dead. Need to tear apart the management that defined the training exercise at night in the worlds worse location. Yes it's dei. But the general setting this up is the deficient dei
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 2/2/25 at 8:36 pm to
She killed 66 people because she had TDS, I don’t care what her bff thinks.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2920 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 9:06 pm to
Determining the causal factors is critical to train aircrews/controllers and modify procedures to reduce likelihood of future mishaps. It's not about finding scapegoats or culprits dead or alive. Looking to lay blame on a General officer probably wont do much good.
Posted by Hodag
Northwoods
Member since Sep 2024
1083 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 9:50 pm to
The downvotes are because most here think you are a shite poster.

Also, posting some virtue signalling bullshite from libtards of X doesn't change the fact she and the ATC person are responsible for the slaughter of 67 people.

Perhaps focusing on what ATC and the helo's entire chain of command did wrong will prevent this from happening again.

Nobody is worried about some random anonymous Internet drama from Friday. Except for shitlibs trying to distract from those responsible being held accountable.

Your boy is a Valor in Bio Bro for fricks sake
Posted by TygerLyfe
Member since May 2023
2977 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 11:17 pm to
none of that "proves" she had any fcking idea how to fly in that environment. Thanks for the bs.
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
7237 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 5:17 am to
Your example doesn’t apply to this situation.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
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136229 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 5:49 am to
Has this one been posted. Interesting take that I hadn't seen some of before.

Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
7237 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:29 am to
The altitude is being way overblown. Aircraft are allowed 200’ “grace” on their indicated altitude. If air traffic applies 500’ separation between a VFR and other aircraft, which is legal, and both aircraft are off 200’, they still miss by 100’.
In this case we have the CRJ descending to the runway, so no altitude separation is being applied and we shouldn’t be looking for it. The helo has taken responsibility for keeping the flight paths from crossing.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:45 am to
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Hodag

Have a good day, brother.
This post was edited on 2/3/25 at 6:48 am
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:48 am to
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She killed 66 people because she had TDS


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Kjnstkmn

You're broken.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23424 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 7:15 am to
This video brought up some points for me. If they were training to remove VIP’s out of DC, why would they have night vision goggles on? Why would they do this at 8pm at night with airline traffic?

In a condition like that, wouldn’t ATC divert airline traffic away from the city and close the airspace to civilian traffic? As in, training at 2am or something with very limited civilian traffic makes more sense than 8-9pm when civilian traffic is heavy?

Would wearing night vision make sense in that exercise? I can’t see why it would? Why not just fly without night vision, it’s not a combat mission in foreign land where night vision is beneficial? We don’t even know if they had it on though.

I guess I’m going back to the Army and the battalion training in the middle of the city here to plan appropriately.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
44905 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 7:20 am to
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as if?

That post on its own doesn't make you a terrible person, your entire posting history makes you a terrible person. You have long proven his assessment of you to be accurate. I'll throw in 'scum', 'troll', 'incel', 'attention whore', and 'self-loathing homosexual.'

The negative reaction to your post might possibly be due to your implication that the scale of loss, in your opinion, is based upon the attractiveness of the deceased. An immature, emotionally stunted, and callous opinion to hold, much less express publicly. But completely on-brand for you, due to your lack of social intelligence and previously highlighted status as human garbage.

Cheers, mate

Posted by N2cars
Close by
Member since Feb 2008
37999 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 7:26 am to
I mean, that was about as well-written and accurate as it gets around here.

:Boom:

Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37059 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 10:14 am to
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Would wearing night vision make sense in that exercise? I can’t see why it would?
It doesn't. Knowing the route a traffic patterns under normal conditions is far more important.

Anyway, the DOD probably listened to the Blackhawk's voice recorder yesterday. The longer they delay releasing it (if they ever do) will be the clearest sign of a cover up.
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 2/4/25 at 11:34 am to
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Consensus in the comments is that this was an intentional act
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37059 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 12:15 pm to
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Consensus in the comments is that this was an intentional act
I'm not ready to go there yet, but something screwy is going on. All of the black boxes were recovered on Friday and Sunday the NTSB had clearly heard the voice cockpit recorder and reviewed data from the data recorder of the plane. The helicopter's black box was in better condition. I believe the DOD has it.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
9597 posts
Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:59 pm to
This was an accident just waiting to happen. With all the near misses from 2021 to 2024 I am not sure why so little was done before this had to happen.

quote:

It was also revealed on Tuesday that there was warning signs in the lead up to the deadly disaster.

Those probing the crash went through 944,179 operations between October 2021 and December 2024.

It was uncovered that 15,214 'near-miss events' of planes getting alerts about helicopters being in close proximity between October 2021 and December 2024.

The NTSB also said that there were 85 cases where two aircraft where laterally split by less than 1,500 feet, and a vertical separation of less than 200 feet.

Homendy added: 'That data from October 2021 through December 2024, (the FAA) could have used that information any time to determine that we have a trend here and a problem here, and looked at that route; that didn't occur, which is why we're taking action today. But unfortunately, people lost lives, and loved ones are grieving.'

Investigators believe that the helicopter involved in the crash might have had inaccurate altitude readings in the minutes before the crash.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14487275/plane-crash-warning-report-dc-disaster-reagan-airport.html https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/dc-plane-crash-ntsb-calls-for-immediate-changes-at-reagan-airport/ar-AA1AIcCT
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37059 posts
Posted on 3/11/25 at 3:49 pm to
They still haven't released transcripts from the voice recorders or issued a preliminary report.
Posted by Thracken13
Aft Cargo Hold of Serenity
Member since Feb 2010
18554 posts
Posted on 3/11/25 at 4:03 pm to
you are a disgusting piece of shite, and shown your true colors in this thread - between what you have said here, and the creepy thread about your neighbors little girl bringing you gifts, you are just a weird, shitty human being.
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