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Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:12 am to OMLandshark
Wichita mayor 
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:14 am to N2cars
Yes, if you watch the ATC track video there is another aircraft approaching from south.
If I had to guess either they assumed that was the aircraft ATC was referring to and called their seperation. Or, if you watch the track it looks like they may have thought they had seperation already but when the aircraft turned it put them back on a converging fight path.
If I had to guess either they assumed that was the aircraft ATC was referring to and called their seperation. Or, if you watch the track it looks like they may have thought they had seperation already but when the aircraft turned it put them back on a converging fight path.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 8:17 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:16 am to Napoleon
quote:on the air traffic audio, ATC twice tells the Helo to be aware of the plane. But the helo doesn't respond. Would the response be on a different frequency?
Army pilot had to have fricked up. Plane was on IRL approach. Heli was told to look out for traffic. Sad all around. It's been a long time since we have had a fatal plane crash in the country
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 8:23 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:17 am to TorchtheFlyingTiger
It seems the approach for a given runway would be a pretty well defined wedge in space?
Why would any aircraft not on approach ever be in that space?
Why would any aircraft not on approach ever be in that space?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:18 am to Chicken
Not sure what audio you heard. I heard one with helo calling seperation.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:18 am to Chicken
quote:
on the air traffic audio, ATC twice tells the Helo to be aware of the plane. But the helo doesn't respond.
The helo responds by requesting visual separation, it was just not recorded by ATC live. ATC responds to their request
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:18 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Especially at DCA
The approach is like coming down a narrow bayou. A few sharp turns to stay away from the no-fly zones
The approach is like coming down a narrow bayou. A few sharp turns to stay away from the no-fly zones
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:19 am to Cosmo
quote:
Now that the metro to dulles is done it seems like a better option if they want to expand capacity
to get to Dulles is at-least 40 min to an hour extra on the metro, compared to getting to DCA from downtown DC.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:19 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
So military planes have ADS-B? I know the faa had required it on all GA planes. Supposed to cut down on stuff like this.
Military planes have radar, so the Helicopter pilot is at fault here. No doubt.
AA plane had tower clearance and was on final on slope.
Military planes have radar, so the Helicopter pilot is at fault here. No doubt.
AA plane had tower clearance and was on final on slope.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:21 am to SPEEDY
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:21 am to mylsuhat
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The approach is like coming down a narrow bayou. A few sharp turns to stay away from the no-fly zones
not the approach from the south, which is the approach the flight was taking. He had to turn a couple of times to approach 33, but the approach into runway 1 is pretty straight in, Runway 1 is the most common runway when they land from the south.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 8:22 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:22 am to 257WBY
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Helo at most fault, but controller should’ve made a more specific traffic call.
I agree - ATC didn't give a heading or distance for the traffic which seems to be a typical call out.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:26 am to catholictigerfan
I haven’t confirmed nor read this entire thread but I heard it was a runway change for the RJ and there was an AA lined up for runway 1.
Could have been easily been a case of mistaken ID with the helo confusing the AA for the RJ jet.
Also, TCAS isn’t going to help that low as RAs are prohibited.
Could have been easily been a case of mistaken ID with the helo confusing the AA for the RJ jet.
Also, TCAS isn’t going to help that low as RAs are prohibited.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 9:04 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:27 am to Cosmo
Dulles had those moving Gate sized busses. Very odd.
Took one between terminals. Very ran down airport. I prefer DCA plus it's nice being just 3 stops from Downtown on the metro.
Took one between terminals. Very ran down airport. I prefer DCA plus it's nice being just 3 stops from Downtown on the metro.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:27 am to waiting4saturday
unless the helicopter was doing an all visual training, there should have been alarms, warnings, radar etc
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:30 am to Napoleon
quote:
I prefer DCA plus it's nice being just 3 stops from Downtown on the metro.
I prefer DCA as well but practicality has to win over at some point when we are talking expanding flights
Dulles has 4 runways that can be used simultaneously
DCA can only use 1 at a time
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:32 am to Cosmo
One Russian figure skater was not allowed to board the flight as his dog was too big. He instead decided to make the 14 hour drive instead. Confirms there was 14 or so skaters plus coach and some parents
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:32 am to Cosmo
quote:
Dulles has 4 runways that can be used simultaneously
DCA can only use 1 at a time
Atlanta uses 5 simultaneously.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 8:33 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:32 am to SteelerBravesDawg
quote:
Atlanta uses 5 at one time.
Denver uses 6
Dfw could theoretically do 7
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