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re: Plane collides with helicopter over Reagan International Airport; Looking in Potomac
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:50 pm to Bestbank Tiger
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:50 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Looks deliberate, but I'm a layman. One of our pilots might be able to tell us if there's a way to make that mistake without intending to.
I say this in almost every thread involving an air accident: loss of situational awareness
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:51 pm to OMLandshark
US Army 12th Aviation Battalion
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Summary
Known as the Gold Tops (in contrast to the HMX-1 White Tops), the unit provides VIP transportation for the Department of Defense.
Aircraft Type
UH-60 Black Hawk count as of 2021 GAO report: 34
VH-60 Black Hawk
Trackable on Flightradar24 App?
Unknown, but likely no.
Details
Based out of Davison Army Airfield at Fort Belvoir, this unit play a number of other roles, but one of them is also VIP evacuation in the case of emergency. While the HMX-1 squadron would ensure the evacuation of the President and his immediate advisors, it is this squadron that would spirit away other high ranking lawmakers and government leadership.
This post was edited on 1/29/25 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:51 pm to jlovel7
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Typo?
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:52 pm to cubsfan5150
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Obviously you’d know better than me, but I find it hard to believe that the air traffic controller isn’t responsible to ensure that two aircraft aren’t crossing paths too close, especially at night.
Generally what would happen is the tower controller would ask the helo if he had the CRJ in sight. When the pilot says yes the controller instructs the helo to pass behind the jet. The CRJ can’t do much because of the critical stage of flight. I have no idea what went wrong here
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:52 pm to cubsfan5150
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Obviously you’d know better than me, but I find it hard to believe that the air traffic controller isn’t responsible to ensure that two aircraft aren’t crossing paths too close, especially at night.
Only so much they can do when pilots accept responsibility?
You want ATC to hold every pilots hands? Pilots would hate it
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:52 pm to cubsfan5150
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Typo
No. They landed near the shoreline.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:52 pm to SWLA92
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Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but, based on this flight path data, it looks almost like the helicopter maneuvered itself into a collision course with the airliner.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:53 pm to DevilDogTiger
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I have no idea what went wrong here
Blackhawk fricking up seems to be the most logical conclusion at this point, no?
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:53 pm to cubsfan5150
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Obviously you’d know better than me, but I find it hard to believe that the air traffic controller isn’t responsible to ensure that two aircraft aren’t crossing paths too close, especially at night.
That’s crazy.
Yep, that’s definitely a hazard. In this case, I’m not sure how it could have been avoided by ATC or the CRJ pilots if the reports are accurate and the helicopter dicked up what he was cleared to do. There’s no way to “see and avoid” a helicopter that flies directly in front of your flight path like that, IMO.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:54 pm to Tuscaloosa
FDCs will be interesting
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:55 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:55 pm to DevilDogTiger
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Generally what would happen is the tower controller would ask the helo if he had the CRJ in sight. When the pilot says yes the controller instructs the helo to pass behind the jet. The CRJ can’t do much because of the critical stage of flight. I have no idea what went wrong here
^^^
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:56 pm to Tuscaloosa
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FYI, a friend just texted me after listening to the audio & said the helicopter was instructed to pass behind the CRJ.
So he either never had him in sight or saw a different aircraft.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:57 pm to jcaz
Listening to scanner right now I believe they said 14 have been recovered now
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:57 pm to Tuscaloosa
Pilot by chance?
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:57 pm to DevilDogTiger
Pretty sure Tuscaloosa has posted photos from the cockpit before.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:58 pm to jcaz
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So he either never had him in sight or saw a different aircraft.
I’m betting (and we’ll unfortunately never know) that he was looking at the wrong aircraft.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:58 pm to jcaz
I was going to ask, with all the traffic is it possible he identified the wrong plane.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:59 pm to DevilDogTiger
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Pilot by chance?
Yes. 757/767
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:59 pm to Swagga
Apparently the Potomac even in the middle just near the airport is only 11’ deep per local news.
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