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Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:42 pm to IgotKINGfisherSpeed
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Who fires that many shots into a car with a toddler?
Someone who standing next a car with a driver that is reaching for a gun after he told him not to.
People reaching for a gun if I tell them not to don't get the benefit of the doubt from me.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:42 pm to dcrews
Try the local news. There's gun violence every single day. How many times does it actually help?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:42 pm to upgrayedd
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This is still a tough one for me to take a stance on.
It just sucks. No one needed to die there. Castile had no ill intentions, but I understand why the cop would have been terrified.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:42 pm to Pettifogger
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f a cop wants to pull someone over for a bullshite reason, the cop should be able to kill you before taking any other action to avoid any threat he perceives.
Jesus christ dude. You're not even trying to be subtle. I'm out.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:43 pm to slackster
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It just sucks. No one needed to die there. Castile had no ill intentions, but I understand why the cop would have been terrified.
this is an appropriate response.
Dipshit on page two saying RIP POS is just a dumb fricking redneck
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:43 pm to Pettifogger
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Again, he's practically inside the window when this is happening. In other words, if a cop wants to pull someone over for a bullshite reason, the cop should be able to kill you before taking any other action to avoid any threat he perceives.
How is that not fricked up.
So if I reach for a gun after you've told me not to, you're gonna give me the benefit of the doubt?
Hint: You wouldn't
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:44 pm to ghost2most
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How many times does it actually help?
Are you serious? Try getting a higher IQ and then get back to us
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:44 pm to rondo
Not saying he should have been shot, but no way in hell am I telling a cop I have a gun in the car and then proceed to fumble around for any type of object.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:44 pm to rondo
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I dont have a CCL but aren't you supposed to tell a cop if you have a concealed gun?
Not sure about MN, but in LA, that's the first thing you have to do when confronted by LE.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:44 pm to LNCHBOX
This shite is all gray. The cop was not evil. Castile was not a violent criminal.
Why the frick can't people see all of this is avoided if Castille isn't armed?
Yes, he could have followed instructions better, but damn, people get nervous around the cops and cops get nervous too.
Remove the thing that makes the situation dangerous. Unnecessary weapons...
Why the frick can't people see all of this is avoided if Castille isn't armed?
Yes, he could have followed instructions better, but damn, people get nervous around the cops and cops get nervous too.
Remove the thing that makes the situation dangerous. Unnecessary weapons...
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:45 pm to texag7
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StrongSafety is melting
Water is wet.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:45 pm to upgrayedd
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Not sure about MN, but in LA, that's the first thing you have to do when confronted by LE.
is the 2nd thing to do is pray to god this cop doesn't flip his shite and take any movement as a threat?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:45 pm to jbgleason
This one is a tough one. I've been in a car when the driver was stopped by cops and he had a gun in the glove compartment along with his carry permit and registration. The first thing the driver did when the cop walked up is tell the cop he had a gun and permit in the glove box along with his registration and insurance. The cop unholstered his gun and told the driver to reach slowly for the glove box, which the driver did. No one was shot.
Here, even if Castile had no intent of pulling his gun on the cop (and I don't think he did), the cop has to err on the side of caution. Is it enough to warrant shooting the guy? That one's tough. Hindsight is always 20/20, but you could tell the cop didn't want to shoot the guy. This looks like just a horrible confluence of circumstances. Guy with a loaded gun who maybe isn't cognizant enough to fully grasp the gravity of the potential situation and a cop who is on edge because he knows it could only take a second for the person to flip out and shoot him.
Here, even if Castile had no intent of pulling his gun on the cop (and I don't think he did), the cop has to err on the side of caution. Is it enough to warrant shooting the guy? That one's tough. Hindsight is always 20/20, but you could tell the cop didn't want to shoot the guy. This looks like just a horrible confluence of circumstances. Guy with a loaded gun who maybe isn't cognizant enough to fully grasp the gravity of the potential situation and a cop who is on edge because he knows it could only take a second for the person to flip out and shoot him.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:45 pm to Pettifogger
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I think it's entirely possible the cop couldn't tell what he was reaching for.
There were daily updates during the trial through one of the local papers up there. Part of the evidence was that the gun was on the right side of Castile with the butt visible. He was reaching to his right. That's not to say that he had any intention of producing it and using it, but the cop's fear for his life was certainly collaborated by the evidence. You can say why say you have a weapon then produce it, I can argue why continue to reach in the direction if clearly instructed not to and to stop.
You learn in any CCP class to let the officer know, keep your hand visible, and offer to let him disarm you. If he does that he is alive. If the cop instructs him to step out so he can disarm him he is alive. The blame for that goes both ways. The blame for not following instruction and putting the cop in a situation where a threat is elevated falls clearly on Mr Castile's shoulders once he is told to stop. Not a good situation, but a justified shoot based on the situation that you can't know for sure he wasn't going to shoot the cop or that he was going to shoot, and he was given multiple opportunities to clear that up before shots were fired.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:45 pm to J Murdah
quote:Perhaps some command from the officer would help as well. Guy tells you he has a gun, tell him to place his hands on the steering wheel immediately.
How hard is it to keep two hands on the steering wheel if you have a firearm. let the officer know where it is. if it is in the door let him open the door and disarm you.
I just can't watch that video and think the status quo is A-Okay.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:45 pm to lsuwontonwrap
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6 shots though?
It's crazy it wasn't more. I personally don't think this clears anything up, but study after study has shown people will fire far more rounds than necessary.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:46 pm to LNCHBOX
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He told the cop he had a gun. What exactly would you prefer the cop do in that situation? I prefer the cop protects himself over this dude, sorry.
I'd prefer, unless absolutely impossible, for a cop to deescalate that situation by drawing and backing away rather than refusing to yield any ground and firing multiple shots into a vehicle with a woman and child in it.
The cop very likely fricked up here, and I think he knows he fricked up. It's also obvious the guy who got killed fricked up, although he likely wasn't doing anything in an attempt to injure the officer. Some of us can believe both.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:46 pm to texag7
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Are you serious? Try getting a higher IQ and then get back to us
I'm not going to argue with you. Gun advocates cannot be argued with. Nothing I say and no statistics I produce would change your mind and none you produced would change mine.
It's the same with abortion, pitts, etc. Sorry to have waded into this mess.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:46 pm to ghost2most
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Yes, he could have followed instructions better
Hmmm.
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Remove the thing that makes the situation dangerous. Unnecessary weapons...
The cop's weapon? Dafuq?
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