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re: Pfizer CEO: “Two doses of the vaccine offers very limited protection, if any
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:09 pm to Ingeniero
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:09 pm to Ingeniero
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The study included 8153 cases and their matched controls. Two dose vaccine effectiveness was 86.7% (95% confidence interval 84.3% to 88.7%) against infection with the delta variant,
We know now that this is only true up to about 45 days after vaccination. Then it declines rapidly. My problem with the vaccine rollout is that Fauci already had 6 months of data. He KNEW it declined rapidly after two months. But they still told us 95%.
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Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:13 pm to OU812ME2
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3 HCQ and the correct dose of Ivermectin worked wonders for our family.
Or those drugs did nothing and your family would have recovered regardless of the treatment.
Pushing a false narrative only adds noise to the false narratives offered by the opposing side. What you are saying is not proof. Its anecdotal and the root of the problem with this dumb arse pandemic. As the data changes so should our guidance. Omicron is not a pandemic and it is time to stop with mandates, vaccines and closures. Nature is taking its course regardless of your political affiliation. Mother Nature always wins and this will be no exception.
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Actually the doctors have blood on their hands for following the protocols they knew were wrong and would lead to death.
Man, frick you. Doctors and nurses aint the ones to blame for this quagmire.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:15 pm to stout
Cool. Or people could quit being morbidly obese. Think of the money we would save.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:15 pm to DiamondDog
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So in theory, if my body is 100% vaccine. I can't have Covid. Good news to know.
I have had two vaccines and a booster. I'm done. If it kills me, man couldn't stop it. I'm not taking anything else.
You just haven't figured it out.
You will 100% take the next booster because it is mandated, and would cause major problems for you if you didn't and because you've already taken 3 doses.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:16 pm to ShiteShow
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Cool. Or people could quit being morbidly obese. Think of the money we would save
"Fascist! Stop infringing on people's freedom! You're a boot licker!"
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:17 pm to Penrod
Do you know what a spurious relationship is? Because the degree of certainty you have based on "data" leads me to believe you do not.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:20 pm to jennBN
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Or those drugs did nothing and your family would have recovered regardless of the treatment.
Or maybe they did.
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Man, frick you.
No, frick you.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:21 pm to stout
Can you find another video link? Unsurprisingly, the arbiters of truth have taken the original on Twitter down.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:24 pm to moneyg
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Are these people with extreme comorbidities? Are these people with a history of heart disease or pulmonary disease?
The cases of PE that came in? Mostly youngish women in relative good health, though I think all were on birth control and possibly smoked, which are risk factors by themselves for coagulopathies. But all this happened in the last ten days or so, all were COVID-positive. Outside of them, it seems to be the same demographic that always suffered the worst, which is the demographic the majority of American adults fall in.
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Are these people that as far as you can tell don't have any of that?
I don't know how to be any clearer, but this isn't a meaningful distinction with regard to any American population subset. The group of people who are completely healthy, with no comorbidities, is a minority in the American population. People bring it up as some sort of gotcha rather than being alarmed that we have a population that is upwards of 70% overweight, which by itself presents several comorbidities. The average American should be highly alarmed when they talk of comorbidities, as it is likely that they have those comorbidities.
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Let's approach it from the opposite direction. How many deaths have you seen due to OMICRON without a single (or in your opinion single significant) comorbidity?
I mean, I can go look at their charts to see, but virtually everyone has a comorbidity. This patient population which has absolutely no comorbidities might as well not exist in real life. This also aids my point about other causes of death. We don't partition the demographics for other pathologies the same way, because for some reason the comorbidities with COVID are used to undercut the seriousness of infection. What do we gain in doing this? If we want to be granular, why can't I jump to pathologic descriptions of end-organ damage that is characteristic and based on a few patterns of cellular injury? Or why can I just reference the cellular mechanism of death as the overall cause of death for every pathology?
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:26 pm to Boss13
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Can you find another video link? Unsurprisingly, the arbiters of truth have taken the original on Twitter down.
Damage control defcon 1 People still defending the vaccines.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:29 pm to jennBN
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Man, frick you. Doctors and nurses aint the ones to blame for this quagmire.
Well many sure didn't help. They were too busy playing politics and getting that sweet govt cheese to worry about actually trying to take care of the symptoms. Symptoms they've seen and taken care of forever and yet they ditched all that and left patients on their own just to prove a point? Well the point is they were part of the problem. Explain why every other country especially in the 3rd world is taking these cheap medications and they are working? Yet we can't push something cheap and easily found.
I'll give the doctors a little break because in many cases they would have lost their medical licenses in the various Democrat led states where they outlawed those medications. But that only covers those states. What about the hospitals who abandoned all rational real medicine to do the govt's bidding for the money? What about the hospitals trying to actively remove any doctor who dared speak common sense? There are plenty of doctors who did the right thing and treated the symptoms as they knew how to. But the other half.... not so much.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:38 pm to stout
Your link is someone's twitter? I can't find where Bourla said "limited protection" but did find this.
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CEO Albert Bourla on Monday said two doses of the company’s vaccine may not provide strong protection against infection from the Covid omicron variant, and the original shots have also lost some of their efficacy at preventing hospitalization.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:42 pm to crazy4lsu
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The cases of PE that came in? Mostly youngish women in relative good health
Wow. Multiple deaths of young women in good health due to Omicron. That's news I hadn't heard.
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I mean, I can go look at their charts to see, but virtually everyone has a comorbidity. This patient population which has absolutely no comorbidities might as well not exist in real life. This also aids my point about other causes of death. We don't partition the demographics for other pathologies the same way, because for some reason the comorbidities with COVID are used to undercut the seriousness of infection. What do we gain in doing this? If we want to be granular, why can't I jump to pathologic descriptions of end-organ damage that is characteristic and based on a few patterns of cellular injury? Or why can I just reference the cellular mechanism of death as the overall cause of death for every pathology?
So, you are taking the stance that you can't tell the difference between someone who dies due to COVID vs. someone who dies with COVID.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:45 pm to Ingeniero
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I bolded, underlined, and italicized the relevant part. Let me know if you need some more help reading, Roger.
You made his point for him. He mentioned that it was billed that way. And, also mentioned that they knew it was not that effective.
You've proven that it was billed that way. And, we know in hindsight that it was not that effective.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:48 pm to jennBN
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Man, frick you. Doctors and nurses aint the ones to blame for this quagmire.
Stop right there.
There are doctors (some in this thread) who believe it's their role to make decisions for their patients based on their medical expertise and have communicated known manipulated data and information to coerce their patients.
Those doctors do not deserve to be protected.
There are other doctors who knew better, but are so controlled by centralized medicine that they chose to protect themselves and go along. They also shouldn't be protected.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:50 pm to stout
They said if we took the vaccines it would all be done. The vaccine's been out for well over a year and Covid is worse than ever.
So their solution? More vaccines and boosters that work so well to stop Covid.
"SCIENCE"
So their solution? More vaccines and boosters that work so well to stop Covid.
"SCIENCE"
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:51 pm to moneyg
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You made his point for him. He mentioned that it was billed that way. And, also mentioned that they knew it was not that effective.
You've proven that it was billed that way. And, we know in hindsight that it was not that effective.
What the frick are you talking about? This is the excerpt from the study:
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Two dose vaccine effectiveness was 86.7% (95% confidence interval 84.3% to 88.7%) against infection with the delta variant, 98.4% (96.9% to 99.1%) against alpha, 90.4% (73.9% to 96.5%) against mu, 96-98% against other identified variants, and 79.9% (76.9% to 82.5%) against unidentified variants
In what universe can you interpret that as "vaccines don't prevent transmission?" And if you say "because it's not 100% prevention" I'll point you to birth control, which does not prevent pregnancy, sunscreen, which does not prevent sunburns, and toothpaste, which does not prevent cavities.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:54 pm to moneyg
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You made his point for him. He mentioned that it was billed that way.
Yep, and a couple of months later, we get the news that it doesn't really prevent infection.
Shocking!
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:56 pm to Ingeniero
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" I'll point you to birth control, which does not prevent pregnancy, sunscreen, which does not prevent sunburns, and toothpaste, which does not prevent cavities.
None are mandated
You're doing a great job of making my point. CV19 hysteria was awesome for politicians, shitty for everyone else.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:57 pm to stout
In a way, this sort of makes sense. The vaccine was made to fight against the original Covid virus. Variants switch things up, obviously. Thus, the original vaccine loses effectiveness.
That being said, being the CEO of Pfizer, he also has vested interest in people continuing to buy his product.
That being said, being the CEO of Pfizer, he also has vested interest in people continuing to buy his product.
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