re: Penn State frat members charged in student's hazing death

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They were worried about getting MIPs and having Greek Affairs take away some early bids.

Now they get to worry about serving hard time.

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Sometimes coverup is worse than the crime. They're damn near equal in this case.

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I can understand a little hazing, but making them get blackout drunk and do harsh activities/gross shite just so they puke is fricking stupid, and indicative of the quality of the individuals in charge.

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It's really easy to make their lives shitty and complicated without putting them in physical danger.

Having one die and half the fraternity arrested probably isn't the ideal pledge class bonding experience

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That's not the story I heard. I thought he fell and then walked to the couch and fell asleep. Did they move him to the couch in the morning after they found him?

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Here's a detailed account of what happened.

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His fall was not captured on surveillance cameras, but someone heard it, and when one man went to the top of the basement stairs, he saw Piazza lying facedown at the bottom. In a group message to other fraternity brothers at 11:53 p.m. that night, that man wrote, "Tim Piazza might actually be a problem. He fell 15 feet down a flight of stairs, hair-first, going to need help."

Surveillance video at 10:47 p.m. showed Piazza being carried upstairs by four fraternity brothers; in the video, his body appeared limp, his eyes were closed, he appeared unconscious, and a bruise was visible on his side. Piazza was placed on a couch, and liquid was dumped on his face twice, but he didn't respond either time.

About a half an hour after the fall, at 11:14 p.m., a newly initiated member saw Piazza lying on the couch, looking "horrible," he later told the grand jury. He saw Piazza "thrashing and making weird movements on the couch" and screamed at the fraternity brothers for help, stressing that Piazza needed to go to the hospital because he could have a concussion. One brother shoved the newly initiated member into a wall and said they had it under control.

At 11:25 p.m., the pledge master slapped Piazza three times in the face. At 11:37 p.m., one fraternity brother tackled another brother into the couch, physically landing on top of Piazza.

By 1 a.m., some brothers saw Piazza vomit and twitch on the couch. Three brothers filled a backpack with books and placed it on Piazza to try to keep him from rolling to his back if he passed out. At 1:48 a.m., Piazza rolled off the couch and to the floor, and three brothers picked him up and "slammed him onto the couch." One brother hit Piazza hard once in the abdomen.

By 2:38 a.m., Piazza rolled to the floor and at 3:16 p.m. his legs were moving. At 3:22 p.m., Piazza tried to stand and the backpack came off and he fell back, hitting his head on the hardwood floor. A fraternity brother attempted to shake him for a moment and then left the room.

At 3:46 a.m., Piazza was curled up on the floor in the fetal position with his knees toward his chest. At 3:49 a.m., Piazza positioned himself on his knees, bent over with his elbows on the floor and his head in his hands. At 3:54 a.m., he tried to stand but fell facedown on the floor. At 4:59 a.m., he stood and then fell head first into an iron railing, landing on a stone floor.

"He gets up again and attempts to go to the front door, but before he reaches it he falls head first into the door," the grand jury report says. He later rolled to his side, clutching his abdomen.

At 5:15 a.m., one brother came into the room, stepped over the injured pledge, looked at him and then left the room. At 5:26 a.m., another brother saw Piazza on the floor and walked him to another room but Piazza fell down three steps, and the brother stepped over him on the floor and left him there.

At about 10 a.m., fraternity members found the 19-year-old in the basement lying on his back, breathing heavily and with blood on his face. One brother said Piazza's eyes were half open and he felt cold. Three men carried Piazza's unconscious body upstairs and placed him back on the couch. Surveillance footage showed brothers shaking him and trying to prop him up. At 10:48 a.m., a fraternity member called 911 but did not say Piazza fell down the stairs the night before.

The grand jury concluded that after Piazza was taken to the hospital there was an active attempt to conceal evidence of the hazing and underage drinking, from deleting messages to admitting to discussing erasing surveillance video.

In a deleted text that was recovered, one man wrote, "If need be, just tell them what I told you guys, found him behind [a bar] the next morning at around 10 a.m., and he was freezing-cold, but we decided to call 911 instantly, because the kid's health was paramount."

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It's really easy to make their lives shitty and complicated without putting them in physical danger.

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This is why a lot of people don't like fraternities and want to completely ban them mind you.

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This is why a lot of people don't like fraternities and want to completely ban them mind you.

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The physical danger part or the other part?

People don't like fraternities because academia views them as a patriarchal institution that typically favors white males of means. Everything else is just ammo for their cause, as incidents involving fraternities are no more common than incidents in the college aged segment at large.

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He was subsequently found at the bottom of the steps after apparently falling face-first. Four fraternity brothers carried his limp body back upstairs, where some poured liquid on him, and another slapped him three times in the face, the grand jury said.

At another point, one fraternity brother tackled another, landing on top of Piazza.

One time, when Piazza rolled off a couch, three fraternity brothers picked him up and "slammed him" back on the couch, according to the grand jury report.

Fraternity members put a backpack containing textbooks on him so he would not suffocate on his own vomit, the jury wrote.

When a fraternity brother insisted Piazza needed medical help, he was confronted and shoved into a wall, the report said. When the same brother insisted again that Piazza required help, he was told others were biology and kinesiology majors so his opinion wasn’t as valuable as theirs, the jury said.

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frick these dudes and their entitled TPOS attitudes.

They deserve and need as much time in prison as a judge can possibly give them.

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The physical danger part or the other part?

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Both.

I can understand the concept of a fraternity as a bonding and a camaraderie experience that's meant to round out young men into adulthood but I'm not naive in thinking that their days are numbered and they will disappear sooner or later, it's just a matter of when.

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It just blows my mind that so many people can fail to act like decent human beings.

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Bystander effect and mob mentality in people that already had shitty character and morals in them.

I had to do Edward 40 Hands and piss my pants once.

They microwave two fourties to luke warm, duct tape them to your hands until you're finished with them, and you basically had to piss your pants because your hands aren't available.

We just wore a bathing suit and sat on the back patio


Also had a dice game. You roll two dice and whatever total number you get, that's how many bong rips you'd have to do. I rolled a 9 I believe. That was uncomfortable

None of that put me in danger though. I did a lot of drinking, but it was almost all 100% voluntary. And if you're a good sport about the stupid shite, they take it easy on you.

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So now Im liable if my friends do stupid shite and Im with them?

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ANd you chose not to call for help because you are scared to get in trouble?

Yeh, you kinda do you piece of shite