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Posted on 3/14/22 at 4:07 pm to bong water tiger
quote:Probably because they are children and can't really grasp the idea that the things they do today might pay off in 10 or 20 years?
Why do people pay their children to do that which they are supposed to do and the doing is in their best interest?
Why do people give their children toys for doing nothing other than turning a year older?
Posted on 3/14/22 at 4:10 pm to Korkstand
By the time grades matter, if they don’t understand that good grades are their obligation and for their benefit, then no amount of money will generate A’s.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 4:41 pm to bong water tiger
quote:Looks like a lot of parents in this thread have had success with this method, and as a bonus their kids learn the value of money and saving.
By the time grades matter, if they don’t understand that good grades are their obligation and for their benefit, then no amount of money will generate A’s.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 4:50 pm to Korkstand
It's like paying someone not to piss on the toilet seat. We don't pay people money for doing what they ought to do, for observing and complying with the social contract that makes society work...that's not learning the value of money, that's not a value add over and above the baseline. You don't pay for the "ought" in life. Add real value and you get paid. Make good grades because that is your obligation to your parents and yourself. I suspect most of the kids that got As probably would have gotten As anyway or would have gotten As if not getting good grades, or making the requisite effort to get As resulted in a loss of privileges.
My kids aren't exhorted to get good grades or paid for good grades, they are told to put in their best effort and if they don't they lose privileges. Effort matters more than the grade.
My kids aren't exhorted to get good grades or paid for good grades, they are told to put in their best effort and if they don't they lose privileges. Effort matters more than the grade.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 4:53 pm to anc
Getting good grades was expected of me. If my grades weren't up to par, I wasn't getting a car, vacations, or help for college.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 5:29 pm to bong water tiger
quote:Eventually every toilet seat will get pissed on, and someone is going to pay to clean it up.
It's like paying someone not to piss on the toilet seat.
quote:Who are you to determine what other peoples' children ought to do in school?
We don't pay people money for doing what they ought to do
quote:We're talking about a kid making an A vs a C, not the social contract. Even so, if I put in the time and effort to be a decent citizen I'd expect to be paid back with your time and effort.
for observing and complying with the social contract that makes society work
quote:You as the parent still have to connect the dots from effort->money->saving->purchases.
that's not learning the value of money
quote:Is your baseline straight A's?
that's not a value add over and above the baseline
quote:Some kids respond to negative reinforcement, some respond to positive reinforcement. You as the parent have to know your kids and know yourself.
I suspect most of the kids that got As probably would have gotten As anyway or would have gotten As if not getting good grades, or making the requisite effort to get As resulted in a loss of privileges.
My kids aren't exhorted to get good grades or paid for good grades, they are told to put in their best effort and if they don't they lose privileges.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 5:30 pm to anc
shite…when I was in school I was lucky to make a dollar per a…in the 2000’s!
Posted on 3/14/22 at 6:32 pm to anc
We invest a lot in our kids (raising, teaching, guiding, tuition, etc). We value education in household. They value their school performance. We expect their best effort. We also know they are not perfect - room to be human here.
We don't pay money for grades. Expectations are too low if incentives are required above and beyond, IMO.
Give incentives for the driving factors of grades and not the grade results. Incentives are not always (and most often should not be) things like money (a dissatisfier) -- human behavior 201.
We don't pay money for grades. Expectations are too low if incentives are required above and beyond, IMO.
Give incentives for the driving factors of grades and not the grade results. Incentives are not always (and most often should not be) things like money (a dissatisfier) -- human behavior 201.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 6:34 pm to Napoleon
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My parents would offer big bucks for As but the money they offered for Bs and Cs was enough too.
What does "being average" (C) earn one nowadays?
Posted on 3/14/22 at 6:59 pm to anc
We used to get whippings for bad grades, is that the same? A bad grade was anything that was not an A.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 7:18 pm to DamnGood86
Punishment for underperformance and reward for performance outcomes not as strong as...
Reward for drivers of performance or punishment for behaviors that inhibit performance (especially when reward is more intrinsic)
Highlight the strong study behaviors with a baked cookie...keep the $20 bill in your wallet for the A they did get or the belt for the C they did get
Reward for drivers of performance or punishment for behaviors that inhibit performance (especially when reward is more intrinsic)
Highlight the strong study behaviors with a baked cookie...keep the $20 bill in your wallet for the A they did get or the belt for the C they did get
Posted on 3/14/22 at 7:29 pm to anc
There’s a documentary based on Freakenomics and one of the experiments was whether paying students to improve grades was effective. It worked okay with the decent students and not at all with the flunkies.
Posted on 3/14/22 at 7:44 pm to anc
Never paid for grades….I did commit to $1K for a perfect ACT score.
Was money well spent and a great investment towards college scholarships!
Was money well spent and a great investment towards college scholarships!
Posted on 3/15/22 at 9:23 am to Korkstand
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You signed up for providing housing and food by having a kid, but you could stop giving the toys and other extras and switch to the earn it via grades method. It's an opportunity to teach the value of money and work.
No shite and I think I'm doing OK raising my kids. We teach value of money and work ask the time. In around almost every kid they go to school with plus plenty of kids from public schools in the area, trust me I'm doing alright.
Posted on 3/15/22 at 9:26 am to bong water tiger
quote:
We don't pay people money for doing what they ought to do
lots of people get performance based bonuses
this is the exact same thing
Posted on 3/15/22 at 9:38 am to anc
quote:
A good report card in our family would be a trip to get ice cream, or as the pre-teen years hit, one of those nutrition teas. I guess I may be behind the times - but is paying for good grades (especially that much) commonplace?
I don’t see a problem with it at all. I actually like it. It kind of gets the kid in a working mindset at an early age. School is their job. They work harder and do their job well they get more money and cool shite. Sounds like the Real World to me.
Posted on 3/15/22 at 10:22 am to Salmon
quote:
We don't pay people money for doing what they ought to do
quote:
lots of people get performance based bonuses. this is the exact same thing
Do you pay them to wear clothes to work? To follow the laws that govern them?
Context of school and work are different ($ as a reward has different effects, school and work -- try explaining "remuneration" to a 3rd grader
$ as a reward is a tricky bastard in and of itself
Rewarding the leading behaviors of the performance outcomes
Rewarding with things of intrinsic value, not monetary value, can be far more powerful...for all people but especially kids in school
Posted on 3/15/22 at 10:27 am to Turf Taint
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Do you pay them to wear clothes to work? To follow the laws that govern them?
is that what people are doing for their kids? paying them when they put their shoes on?
or this the topic about monetary reward for excellent performance?
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