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Paying the price for breakdown of the country's bourgeois culture (LONG)

Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:08 pm
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:08 pm
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Tl;dr: The reason we could be having the problems we are having right now in terms of culture is because there has been a mass exodus of nuclear family values.

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Too few Americans are qualified for the jobs available. Male working-age labor-force participation is at Depression-era lows. Opioid abuse is widespread. Homicidal violence plagues inner cities. Almost half of all children are born out of wedlock, and even more are raised by single mothers. Many college students lack basic skills, and high school students rank below those from two dozen other countries.


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That culture laid out the script we all were supposed to follow: Get married before you have children and strive to stay married for their sake. Get the education you need for gainful employment, work hard, and avoid idleness. Go the extra mile for your employer or client. Be a patriot, ready to serve the country. Be neighborly, civic-minded, and charitable. Avoid coarse language in public. Be respectful of authority. Eschew substance abuse and crime.


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These basic cultural precepts reigned from the late 1940s to the mid-1960s. They could be followed by people of all backgrounds and abilities, especially when backed up by almost universal endorsement. Adherence was a major contributor to the productivity, educational gains, and social coherence of that period.


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Did everyone abide by those precepts? Of course not. There are always rebels — and hypocrites, those who publicly endorse the norms but transgress them. But as the saying goes, hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue. Even the deviants rarely disavowed or openly disparaged the prevailing expectations.


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Was everything perfect during the period of bourgeois cultural hegemony? Of course not. There was racial discrimination, limited sex roles, and pockets of anti-Semitism. However, steady improvements for women and minorities were underway even when bourgeois norms reigned. Banishing discrimination and expanding opportunity does not require the demise of bourgeois culture. Quite the opposite: The loss of bourgeois habits seriously impeded the progress of disadvantaged groups. That trend also accelerated the destructive consequences of the growing welfare state, which, by taking over financial support of families, reduced the need for two parents. A strong pro-marriage norm might have blunted this effect. Instead, the number of single parents grew astronomically, producing children more prone to academic failure, addiction, idleness, crime, and poverty.


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This cultural script began to break down in the late 1960s. A combination of factors — prosperity, the Pill, the expansion of higher education, and the doubts surrounding the Vietnam War — encouraged an antiauthoritarian, adolescent, wish-fulfillment ideal — sex, drugs, and rock-and-roll — that was unworthy of, and unworkable for, a mature, prosperous adult society. This era saw the beginnings of an identity politics that inverted the color-blind aspirations of civil rights leaders like the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. into an obsession with race, ethnicity, gender, and now sexual preference.


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As a consequence, the counterculture made great headway, particularly among the chattering classes — academics, writers, artists, actors, and journalists — who relished liberation from conventional constraints and turned condemning America and reviewing its crimes into a class marker of virtue and sophistication.


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All cultures are not equal. Or at least they are not equal in preparing people to be productive in an advanced economy. The culture of the Plains Indians was designed for nomadic hunters, but is not suited to a First World, 21st-century environment. Nor are the single-parent, antisocial habits, prevalent among some working-class whites; the anti-“acting white” rap culture of inner-city blacks; the anti-assimilation ideas gaining ground among some Hispanic immigrants. These cultural orientations are not only incompatible with what an advanced free-market economy and a viable democracy require, they are also destructive of a sense of solidarity and reciprocity among Americans. If the bourgeois cultural script — which the upper-middle class still largely observes but now hesitates to preach — cannot be widely reinstated, things are likely to get worse for us all.


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Would the re-embrace of bourgeois norms by the ordinary Americans who have abandoned them significantly reduce society’s pathologies? There is every reason to believe so. Among those who currently follow the old precepts, regardless of their level of education or affluence, the homicide rate is tiny, opioid addiction is rare, and poverty rates are low. Those who live by the simple rules that most people used to accept may not end up rich or hold elite jobs, but their lives will go far better than they do now. All schools and neighborhoods would be much safer and more pleasant. More students from all walks of life would be educated for constructive employment and democratic participation.


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But restoring the hegemony of the bourgeois culture will require the arbiters of culture — the academics, media, and Hollywood — to relinquish multicultural grievance polemics and the preening pretense of defending the downtrodden. Instead of bashing the bourgeois culture, they should return to the 1950s posture of celebrating it.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 7:17 pm
Posted by Chuker
St George, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:09 pm to
lol, im not reading that
Posted by heypaul
The O-T Lounge
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:10 pm to
Nobody's reading all that.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71402 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:10 pm to
Jesus Christ dude, that is a wall of text.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
35376 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:11 pm to
Not reading all that, but all the bourgeois’s I know said you better watch your mouth
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:11 pm to
In 7 words or less, please tell us your message.
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
25203 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:12 pm to
Millennials will fix this boomer mess
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:12 pm to
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Nobody's reading all that.


Well, somebody might. I edited the title so those of you who can’t hold your attention for that long will be able to skip the thread.

I also edited the body of the post to give a tl;dr version.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 7:15 pm
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
11386 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:13 pm to
I started to read this, but then just went about living my life.
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
23393 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:13 pm to
It was a good read.
Posted by bobbyleewilliams
Tigertown
Member since Feb 2010
8267 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:14 pm to
quote:

But restoring the hegemony of the bourgeois culture will require the arbiters of culture — the academics, media, and Hollywood — to relinquish multicultural grievance polemics and the preening pretense of defending the downtrodden. Instead of bashing the bourgeois culture, they should return to the 1950s posture of celebrating it.

This.

Upvoted the op.eta
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 7:19 pm
Posted by whatchamacallit
Moulin Rouge
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632 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:14 pm to
It's about 350....give or take 350.
Posted by Pepe Lepew
Looney tuned .....
Member since Oct 2008
36114 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:15 pm to
Posted by Walt OReilly
Poplarville, MS
Member since Oct 2005
124418 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:16 pm to
Good read

Thanks for posting it. Article was pretty spot on
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
124204 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:16 pm to
19th amendment
LBJ’s “Great Society”


Two worst pieces of legislation ever passed, big picture
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
141926 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:18 pm to
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Too few Americans are qualified for the jobs available. Male working-age labor-force participation is at Depression-era lows. Opioid abuse is widespread. Homicidal violence plagues inner cities. Almost half of all children are born out of wedlock, and even more are raised by single mothers. Many college students lack basic skills, and high school students rank below those from two dozen other countries.


quote:
That culture laid out the script we all were supposed to follow: Get married before you have children and strive to stay married for their sake. Get the education you need for gainful employment, work hard, and avoid idleness. Go the extra mile for your employer or client. Be a patriot, ready to serve the country. Be neighborly, civic-minded, and charitable. Avoid coarse language in public. Be respectful of authority. Eschew substance abuse and crime.


quote:
These basic cultural precepts reigned from the late 1940s to the mid-1960s. They could be followed by people of all backgrounds and abilities, especially when backed up by almost universal endorsement. Adherence was a major contributor to the productivity, educational gains, and social coherence of that period.


quote:
Did everyone abide by those precepts? Of course not. There are always rebels — and hypocrites, those who publicly endorse the norms but transgress them. But as the saying goes, hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue. Even the deviants rarely disavowed or openly disparaged the prevailing expectations.


quote:
Was everything perfect during the period of bourgeois cultural hegemony? Of course not. There was racial discrimination, limited sex roles, and pockets of anti-Semitism. However, steady improvements for women and minorities were underway even when bourgeois norms reigned. Banishing discrimination and expanding opportunity does not require the demise of bourgeois culture. Quite the opposite: The loss of bourgeois habits seriously impeded the progress of disadvantaged groups. That trend also accelerated the destructive consequences of the growing welfare state, which, by taking over financial support of families, reduced the need for two parents. A strong pro-marriage norm might have blunted this effect. Instead, the number of single parents grew astronomically, producing children more prone to academic failure, addiction, idleness, crime, and poverty.


quote:
This cultural script began to break down in the late 1960s. A combination of factors — prosperity, the Pill, the expansion of higher education, and the doubts surrounding the Vietnam War — encouraged an antiauthoritarian, adolescent, wish-fulfillment ideal — sex, drugs, and rock-and-roll — that was unworthy of, and unworkable for, a mature, prosperous adult society. This era saw the beginnings of an identity politics that inverted the color-blind aspirations of civil rights leaders like the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. into an obsession with race, ethnicity, gender, and now sexual preference.


quote:
As a consequence, the counterculture made great headway, particularly among the chattering classes — academics, writers, artists, actors, and journalists — who relished liberation from conventional constraints and turned condemning America and reviewing its crimes into a class marker of virtue and sophistication.


quote:
All cultures are not equal. Or at least they are not equal in preparing people to be productive in an advanced economy. The culture of the Plains Indians was designed for nomadic hunters, but is not suited to a First World, 21st-century environment. Nor are the single-parent, antisocial habits, prevalent among some working-class whites; the anti-“acting white” rap culture of inner-city blacks; the anti-assimilation ideas gaining ground among some Hispanic immigrants. These cultural orientations are not only incompatible with what an advanced free-market economy and a viable democracy require, they are also destructive of a sense of solidarity and reciprocity among Americans. If the bourgeois cultural script — which the upper-middle class still largely observes but now hesitates to preach — cannot be widely reinstated, things are likely to get worse for us all.


quote:
Would the re-embrace of bourgeois norms by the ordinary Americans who have abandoned them significantly reduce society’s pathologies? There is every reason to believe so. Among those who currently follow the old precepts, regardless of their level of education or affluence, the homicide rate is tiny, opioid addiction is rare, and poverty rates are low. Those who live by the simple rules that most people used to accept may not end up rich or hold elite jobs, but their lives will go far better than they do now. All schools and neighborhoods would be much safer and more pleasant. More students from all walks of life would be educated for constructive employment and democratic participation.


quote:
But restoring the hegemony of the bourgeois culture will require the arbiters of culture — the academics, media, and Hollywood — to relinquish multicultural grievance polemics and the preening pretense of defending the downtrodden. Instead of bashing the bourgeois culture, they should return to the 1950s posture of celebrating it.
+1
Posted by heypaul
The O-T Lounge
Member since May 2008
38108 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:18 pm to
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Well, somebody might. I edited the title so those of you who can’t hold your attention for that long will be able to skip the thread.

I also edited the body of the post to give a tl;dr version.

What?
Sorry I was flipping channels
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:19 pm to
quote:

19th amendment


It really is something that women will always vote for more government.
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
24835 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:20 pm to
I read it. He short answer is yes. Our culture is fricked because we have moved further and further into individualism instead of the common good.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119150 posts
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:20 pm to
I don't see how anyone can say we are not in decline. It's very obvious everywhere you look. Morally, ethically, socially, and spiritually.
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