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re: Part of the new Hard Rock Hotel collapses (NOLA) 3 dead, Cranes Down-ish

Posted on 10/18/19 at 11:55 am to
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 10/18/19 at 11:55 am to
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I don't think people realize how big the explosion/fire would be from this HIGH PRESSURE 24 inch gas line would be.

i dont think you realize how difficult it would be to actually ignite the gas in a 24" high pressure line
Posted by Zach Lee To Amp Hill
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 10/18/19 at 11:56 am to
he could always just make it a low cost grocery store and use his private security force that he funds to keep the peace.

but frick them poor people let them eat trash
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 10/18/19 at 11:58 am to
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he could always just make it a low cost grocery store and use his private security force that he funds to keep the peace.

but frick them poor people let them eat trash


So, you mean lose money running the business?

You know why the son of a bitch closed up shop, right?

That area can't support what you said it needs.
This post was edited on 10/18/19 at 11:59 am
Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 10/18/19 at 11:59 am to
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he could always just make it a low cost grocery store and use his private security force that he funds to keep the peace.

who the frick are you to tell the man who put up the money to buy that piece of shite building in that piece of shite area what to do with it?

it WAS a low cost grocery store, and it went out of business, on multiple occasions
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but frick them poor people let them eat trash

then go feed them
Posted by bayoubengals01
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 10/18/19 at 12:00 pm to
Just to throw in another theory to the mix...

A co-worker of mine has a good friend of his "in-the-know" who said that holes were drilled in the post/pre-tensioned concrete (not sure what the difference is or what was used here) to install plumbing and that some of the cables in the concrete were severed as as result causing the slabs to sag???

Not saying this is accurate, just hadn't heard this theory yet....



as you were.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 10/18/19 at 12:12 pm to
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out next then Torres



What the hell has Torres done?


My biggest beef with Torres is he let the city tun him out of the FQ cleanup business.

Dude needs to get some balls and take that contract back. Never in my life did I believe the FQ could smell so good. Torres made me a believer.

Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 10/18/19 at 12:13 pm to
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some of the cables in the concrete were severed as as result causing the slabs to sag

it is accurate to say that if the PT tendons were severed, that the integrity of the slab(s) would be compromised
Posted by BoostAddict
Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 10/18/19 at 12:14 pm to
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A co-worker of mine has a good friend of his "in-the-know" who said that holes were drilled in the post/pre-tensioned concrete (not sure what the difference is or what was used here) to install plumbing and that some of the cables in the concrete were severed as as result causing the slabs to sag???


the upper floors were not post-tensioned.

Posted by Boudreaux35
BR
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 10/18/19 at 12:15 pm to
The plan sheets that were posted in this thread yesterday did not indicate that the floors or slabs were post or pre tensioned.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/18/19 at 12:17 pm to
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i dont think you realize how difficult it would be to actually ignite the gas in a 24" high pressure line


Go back and watch the intial collapse when a huge electrical spark flared off. That would be enough to ignite the gas.
Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
5055 posts
Posted on 10/18/19 at 12:17 pm to
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If there's any municipality I trust to use EXPLOSIVES to blow up TWO giant cranes that weigh over 40 TONS a piece in a historic neighborhood directly across the street from a historic theater they just spent $54 million to renovate, it's the city of New Orleans.



Laissez les bons temps rouler.

I haven't been following very closely, but if that leaning crane really started out straight up, that's some scary shite so far.

Good luck out there, baws.

Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
5055 posts
Posted on 10/18/19 at 12:21 pm to
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It's like some of you don't know how construction works at all


Well, to be fair, apparently neither did the construction team.

Unless they secretly wanted a Frank Gehry building.
Posted by mikie421
continental shelf
Member since Nov 2008
858 posts
Posted on 10/18/19 at 12:29 pm to
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Go back and watch the intial collapse when a huge electrical spark flared off. That would be enough to ignite the gas.


I think what he was getting at is that the gas inside the 24” pipe would be too rich to ignite. Now once the line is ruptured and the gas found an ignition source you would have a rather large torch, but not an explosion.
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
32073 posts
Posted on 10/18/19 at 12:32 pm to
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he could always just make it a low cost grocery store and use his private security force that he funds to keep the peace.



Why doesn’t he just throw his money in a 55 gallon drum and light it on fire? It will be a lot easier for him that way.
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
32073 posts
Posted on 10/18/19 at 12:34 pm to
Does anyone know if the detonators are wireless or hard wired? I don’t know shite about explosives.
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
7254 posts
Posted on 10/18/19 at 12:40 pm to
Was the crane operator in the crane when it collapsed. Talk about a pucker factor and a story to tell if he was.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78478 posts
Posted on 10/18/19 at 12:40 pm to
Yes. It was moving.
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
32073 posts
Posted on 10/18/19 at 1:03 pm to
quote:

A co-worker of mine has a good friend of his "in-the-know" who said that holes were drilled in the post/pre-tensioned concrete (not sure what the difference is or what was used here) to install plumbing and that some of the cables in the concrete were severed as as result causing the slabs to sag???

Not saying this is accurate, just hadn't heard this theory yet


He needs to get better friends. Those would have to be some massive holes. Also, there was no PT on the upper levels that collapsed. The PT portion of the building probably saved a bunch of lives during the collapse.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
29744 posts
Posted on 10/18/19 at 1:22 pm to
Well this shite show just got more complicated according to another lawsuit just filed.

LINK ]New Hard Rock collapse lawsuit filed on behalf of workers, some in country illegally

NEW ORLEANS —
Another lawsuit has been filed in the wake of the Hard Rock Hotel collapse.

The lawsuit was filed on behalf of five injured workers, some of them were Hispanic workers in the country illegally, according to the law firm of Wright Pichon and Gray.

One of the injured workers was taken into custody by Immigration and Customs Enforcement and is now being detained in the federal detention facility in Oakdale.

That worker's attorneys say he was detained less than 24 hours after talking about the accident with a Spanish-language news outlet.

The firm that filed the lawsuit alleges the building collapsed due to poor workmanship, poor quality materials, faulty engineering and unsafe acceleration of multiple phases of the construction project.

"It's very disheartening that so many workers on the site of the Hard Rock construction collapse are afraid to come forward for fear of being deported or some other form of retribution by their employer," said Darrell Gray, one of the attorneys representing the workers. "Immigrants are exploited for the growth of our great nation, and that does not have to be the case."

The firm called the accident "purely a profit over-people tragedy with deep social injustice implications."
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33743 posts
Posted on 10/18/19 at 1:23 pm to
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A co-worker of mine has a good friend of his "in-the-know" who said that holes were drilled in the post/pre-tensioned concrete (not sure what the difference is or what was used here) to install plumbing and that some of the cables in the concrete were severed as as result causing the slabs to sag???


Nobody is core drilling a post tensioned slab without Xraying the slab to find the cables.

I guess some people could, but theyd be idiots with a death wish.
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