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re: Part of the new Hard Rock Hotel collapses (NOLA) 3 dead, Cranes Down-ish

Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:09 pm to
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:09 pm to
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These things are pretty tall and erected one section vertically at a time using a climbing frame.


No way they are just going to let those cranes fall on their own. That would be some irresponsible shite.

Wait, this is the city we're talking about.
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:12 pm to
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Did St tammany steal your girl or something?


Wait... did they finally find a working penis there???
Posted by LSUisBetterthanU
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
779 posts
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:28 pm to
I bet the problem is liability. No one is signing off on anyone trying to remedy the situation. I wouldnt do crap unless someone gave me a hold harmless agreement.
Posted by GEAUXmedic
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Member since Nov 2011
41897 posts
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:31 pm to
Non-Union Contractor Caused Hard Rock Hotel Collapse

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As dust and debris covered multiple city blocks on the edge of the famed French Quarter, questions have begun to arise about how a building that was under construction could just collapse. According to Hard Rock, Citadel Builders LLC was contracted by Kailas Companies, owner of the project, to build the Hard Rock Hotel New Orleans.

According to Andy O’Brien, the Secretary Treasurer of the Southeast Louisiana Building and Construction Trades Council, the IBEW and the Plumbers union have been holding informational pickets outside of the hotel for weeks in an effort to inform residents of the danger of the project.

“Citadel is not a union contractor,” said O’Brien. “Whenever they show up, we aren’t far behind.” In other words, when Citadel sets up shop on a construction project, the unions are quick to picket and protest.

Some of the issues that the unions were concerned about included the use of non-licensed workers, hiring undocumented workers, and misclassifying employees on the project as independent contractors.


This isn’t Citadel’s first brush with the law. In August, the contractor pleaded no contest and agreed to pay a fine for using unlicensed contractors on their jobs. If the union's intel is correct, it would appear that Citadel hasn’t learned from their fine and continued to use non-licensed workers.


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As the contractor and the city rushed to shore up the project, Union Ironworkers rushed in to help. According to Troy Bates, 9 highly trained Ironworkers brought in a 500-ton hydraulic crane from Baton Rouge. Instead of letting the trained union workers do their job and use the crane to stabilize the building the contractor said he didn’t want any assistance from union hands. He kicked them off the job and let a non-skilled employee operate the crane.








This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 6:32 pm
Posted by BoostAddict
Member since Jun 2007
3142 posts
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:33 pm to
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Actually LAPELS( LA engineering and surveying board) is extremely strict and harsh in 99% of cases.



They LOVE writing people up in their quarterly magazine "Enforcement Section".

They facking bust people for not putting "Preliminary" on a set of plans going between entities for comment.
Posted by GEAUXmedic
Premium Member
Member since Nov 2011
41897 posts
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:34 pm to
First lawsuits in Hard Rock collapse filed in New Orleans

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With all of the uncertainty surrounding the collapsed and teetering Hard Rock Hotel, there is one sure thing: litigation. The first two lawsuits of an expected wave of claims were filed Tuesday by two different attorneys.

Metairie attorney Mike Brandner filed the first suit in Orleans Civil District Court against the project’s developer, builder, engineers, architects and their insurance companies.

Brandner said one of this three clients was on an upper floor of the Hard Rock construction site when the building started to collapse.

“He ran toward the river side of the building. It's almost like a movie where the stuff is falling from you and you're running,” he said.

Brandner said the other two workers in the lawsuit were on the ground floor on a lunch break, but suffered injuries from falling debris while running for safety.


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When asked why he launched litigation while the tragedy is still unfolding, Brandner said it is legally important to file quickly to preserve documents and evidence, especially if there ends up being a dispute and finger-pointing as to the cause of the accident.

“My biggest concern with construction cases is that it's very document-intensive and it's very evidence-based,” Brandner said. “So I wanted to make sure that everyone is put on notice to preserve all evidence in this case.”
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
73100 posts
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:37 pm to
What's the maximum lift of a sky crane? There is a sky crane co in Louisiana.

Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33425 posts
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:38 pm to
Just noticed you bash it every chance you get.
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33425 posts
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:40 pm to
I saw the media trying to blame non union workers in an article on wwl. Only thing is they were trying to blame non union electricians like they have anything substantial to do with the structure.

This is just more union positioning. Like you cant learn a trade without being in a union.
Posted by nuwaydawg
Member since Nov 2007
2112 posts
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:41 pm to
That northeast corner probably fell initially. Large intact slabs, no supplies in the street.

Northwest section less intact. Pool looks already installed on the Canal street side. I don't see a dumpster which should be on top of the pile or in the street. Crane position is southwest away from the worst damage.

Anchored I-beam linked to the crane, shows a shift from west to east on the top floor.

This is just my non-professional assessment of this video.

Youtube
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 7:12 pm
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33425 posts
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:50 pm to
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Pool looks already installed on the Canal street side.


Pool also looks like its 5 floors lower than the floor that failed.
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
49583 posts
Posted on 10/15/19 at 7:04 pm to
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These things are pretty tall and erected one section vertically at a time using a climbing frame.

There may be a crane big enough to make a 400 foot pick but good luck finding the room to set that up.



No way to get one of Turners Demag in there and get a hook on it ? I mean shite they have an 800 ton beast.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61233 posts
Posted on 10/15/19 at 7:10 pm to
Those union guys need to shut their pie holes
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36534 posts
Posted on 10/15/19 at 7:12 pm to
Why are the union folks so pissed off?
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
8071 posts
Posted on 10/15/19 at 7:18 pm to
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No way to get one of Turners Demag in there and get a hook on it ? I mean shite they have an 800 ton beast.


I guess anything is possible but who is going to hook on for the pick while the thing is on the verge of collapse? Someone has to climb up there and rig it up and release a section. If it comes down before the section is released both cranes are lost.

Pretty risky operation if you ask me.

Keep in mind no company they would try to hire HAS to do anything.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61233 posts
Posted on 10/15/19 at 7:18 pm to
They are trying to capitalize on a tragedy to try and make themselves look better
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36534 posts
Posted on 10/15/19 at 7:19 pm to
It was rhetorical
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
15409 posts
Posted on 10/15/19 at 7:21 pm to
Sounds like a bunch of union propaganda to me.
Posted by arseinclarse
Member since Apr 2007
35270 posts
Posted on 10/15/19 at 7:22 pm to
Prayers for the saenger. I took a nice shite in there when it first opened for Seinfeld. Good times. I’m gonna miss that fancy wall paper.

Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 10/15/19 at 7:23 pm to
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Someone has to climb up there and rig it up and release a section. If it comes down before the section is released both cranes are lost.


Put another crane out there with someone in a man basket to rig it.

Once it's rigged put tension on it and torch the bottom. It can be done you just need to get government people out of the way.
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