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re: Parkway High (La.) Sends Letter Out Stating All Players Must Stand For The Anthem
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:03 pm to Flamefighter
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:03 pm to Flamefighter
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So let's say a teacher decides to speak to his or her class on the fundamentals of Islam and all that is right with it. Would the school and board have any grounds to reprimand the teacher in this instance.
ok, youre definitely trolling now
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:06 pm to Flamefighter
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So let's say a teacher decides to speak to his or her class on the fundamentals of Islam and all that is right with it. Would the school and board have any grounds to reprimand the teacher in this instance.
Now I really think you are trolling.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:10 pm to Dizz
I have the right to sit in protest at work. My company also has the right to fire me.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:13 pm to TigersSEC2010
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Shaun King
Pretty sure he once posted here under the username "Afreaux".
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:21 pm to Godfather1
Ok ok ok.....lol, serious question.
What constitutes a violation of the 1st amendment? Can I decide by protest, not to fight fire today? Am I protected under the 1st amendment?
What constitutes a violation of the 1st amendment? Can I decide by protest, not to fight fire today? Am I protected under the 1st amendment?
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:22 pm to CommoDawg
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This is a violation of the player's 1st amendment rights
So a student can say and do anything that pleases them at school? This is news to literally everyone.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:32 pm to lsu13lsu
What's next?
A student will claim that homework is racist because slaves were forced to do work against their will.
A student will claim that homework is racist because slaves were forced to do work against their will.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:33 pm to tke857
Yeah, that is unconstitutional. It's almost as if we don't value freedom of speech. Both sides of the political spectrum are guilty of trying to suppress the speech of which they disagree. The link below is the case that would apply.
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:40 pm to fouldeliverer
Also, every single public school that has prayer before sporting events are in violation of the constitution as well. That is the case even if it is student-led prayer.
Santa Fe Independent School District v. Doe
Santa Fe Independent School District v. Doe
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:43 pm to lsu13lsu
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So a student can say and do anything that pleases them at school? This is news to literally everyone.
From the Poli Board:
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It's an interesting situation for sure. On one hand, you have Tinker which is the gold standard for free speech in public school. Tinker held that a school may not punish students for expressing their political opinions unless it threatens or harasses other students or disrupts the normal flow of the school day. Obviously, kneeling at a football game does neither. However, there is a laundry list of cases out there that have held that participation in an extracurricular is obviously not a right and, therefore, requiring athletes to submit to drug tests did not violate their 4th Amendment rights.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:45 pm to Flamefighter
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What constitutes a violation of the 1st amendment? Can I decide by protest, not to fight fire today? Am I protected under the 1st amendment?
Your constitutional rights only protect private citizen action from government consequence.
If you work for a municipality and refuse to carry out the expectations of your work, you cannot shield yourself behind Constitutional rights. This was basically the case with the Kentucky Clerk that was refusing to give marriage certificates to the gays.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:47 pm to Flamefighter
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They have the RIGHT per our constitution to kneel, however the school has the right to hand down any punishment for not following their guidelines regarding the matter.
If this was a private school I would agree with you...
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:48 pm to lsu13lsu
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So a student can say and do anything that pleases them at school? This is news to literally everyone.
Tinker says yes, as long as it is not disruptive to school activities.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:50 pm to Antonio Moss
They should allow them to kneel if they want to kneel.
What if, since they are a school in charge of teaching the student athletes, they made protest participation contingent on them writing an essay on why they're protesting?
What if, since they are a school in charge of teaching the student athletes, they made protest participation contingent on them writing an essay on why they're protesting?
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:51 pm to Antonio Moss
The Tinker case is the landmark about expression but as you quoted, students have limited speech rights, for example, Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier.
TLO v New Jersey is the precedent in regards to administration and police searching without a warrant. Vernonia School District v. Acton (1995)is the case about drug tests.
This situation, however, is pretty clear-cut. The superintendent is in the wrong, constitutionally speaking.
TLO v New Jersey is the precedent in regards to administration and police searching without a warrant. Vernonia School District v. Acton (1995)is the case about drug tests.
This situation, however, is pretty clear-cut. The superintendent is in the wrong, constitutionally speaking.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:54 pm to upgrayedd
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This post was edited on 4/8/19 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:57 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Tinker says yes, as long as it is not disruptive to school activities.
Having Political arguments during school when the country is perfectly divided seems pretty disruptive to school.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 4:00 pm to WallsAllAroundMe
That section contains no penalties and is essentially a suggestion. It would likely be found unconstitutional if anyone tried add a penalty to it.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 9/28/17 at 4:03 pm to fouldeliverer
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This situation, however, is pretty clear-cut. The superintendent is in the wrong, constitutionally speaking.
I think your ultimate result will be correct but I don't think its clear cut. The big wrench is that football is an extraciricular and the Court has drawn a hardline between school consequences and prohibiting a student from participating in an extraciricular as it concerns other Constititional rights. If Parkway was threatening players with school consequences like detention/suspension, then I'd agree with you.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 4:06 pm to lsu13lsu
There's an additional component about interfering with learning or the educational process. Kneeling does not interfere with that. Moreover, that disruption standard that you refer to is normally if the speech can be viewed as obscene in nature.
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