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re: Parents of Michigan high school shooter Ethan Crumbley will go to trial, judges rule
Posted on 3/23/23 at 12:59 pm to Geauxld Finger
Posted on 3/23/23 at 12:59 pm to Geauxld Finger
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So do we then begin to round up every juvenile criminals parents and put them on trial for their inaction or accessory their children’s crimes?
There's a huge gulf between parents legitimately not knowing and parents who seemed to have been actively trying to do all of the wrong things when it comes to a clearly troubled kid like that. These two had no intentions of being actual parents and making the tough decisions to do what needed to be done to prevent this.
Charge them with everything possible and let the courts sort it out. They earned it.
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Posted on 3/23/23 at 1:03 pm to Geauxld Finger
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So do we then begin to round up every juvenile criminals parents and put them on trial for their inaction or accessory their children’s crimes?
No, I don't think so.
But this is what sets up the case, IMO. We have to have discussions with my son for not listening and that's minor. I would never text him something like that.
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lol, I'm not mad at you, you have to learn not to get caught
Posted on 3/23/23 at 1:03 pm to LegendInMyMind
I think their inaction is reprehensible but in my opinion it amounts to a civil matter and does not rise to a criminal matter. Many shooters are in therapy and the psychotropic drugs are a contributing factor. The Newton CT psychiatrist did not get hauled into criminal court. Slippery slope criminalizing parenting failures. BUT, I certainly understand everyone’s outrage.
This post was edited on 3/23/23 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 3/23/23 at 1:06 pm to LawrenceCountyTiger
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I think their inaction is reprehensible but in my opinion it amounts to a civil matter and does not rise to a criminal matter.
I’m curious then, what behavior (or lack thereof) do you think should rise to a criminal manner when it comes to neglect of a minor?
Posted on 3/23/23 at 1:15 pm to LawrenceCountyTiger
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Slippery slope criminalizing parenting failures.
Parental responsibility statutes have been in effect in the U.S. for at least 100 years
Posted on 3/23/23 at 1:18 pm to John88
It’s one thing to own a gun and your kid figured out how to get access to it without your knowledge.
But to actively provide a weapon to your child who is known to to have mental health problems. That is a big no no
But to actively provide a weapon to your child who is known to to have mental health problems. That is a big no no
Posted on 3/23/23 at 1:25 pm to Geauxld Finger
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So do we then begin to round up every juvenile criminals parents and put them on trial for their inaction or accessory their children’s crimes?
Lots of them are already in jail, so…
Posted on 3/23/23 at 1:45 pm to ThuperThumpin
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If you are questioning whether or not I would hold the parents of minor gang bangers criminally liable for their kids actions if they commit murder? In some instances yes others no.
What would be the factors needed for either circumstance in your opinion?
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Parenting is by no means an unfettered right
It’s the means by which many obtain a larger check from the government.
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as with many rights, it carries significant legal responsibilities.
But it is someone else’s actions. If we’re going to apply it to this case, then what reason do we have for not going after the parents of other’s who commit violent crimes?
Posted on 3/23/23 at 1:48 pm to John88
They gonna start throwing all the parents of hoodrat car thieves in jail now?
Posted on 3/23/23 at 1:50 pm to Fat and Happy
quote:are you retarded?
I’m highschool, i knew where every gun was. I could get in the gun safe. I could access weapons easily.
That is not my parents fault. That’s called me being resourceful.
Why is it the parents fault exactly?
Posted on 3/23/23 at 1:59 pm to John88
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Hours before the shooting, prosecutors said a teacher saw a note on Ethan Crumbley's desk that was "a drawing of a semi-automatic handgun pointing at the words, 'The thoughts won't stop, help me.' In another section of the note was a drawing of a bullet with the following words above that bullet, 'Blood everywhere.'"
How did the school not kick him out barring being cleared by a psychiatrist after this. At the very least, how did they not check his bookbag/locker before simply allowing him to attend class.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 2:00 pm to John88
they look angry.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 2:01 pm to LawrenceCountyTiger
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Many shooters are in therapy and the psychotropic drugs are a contributing factor. The Newton CT psychiatrist did not get hauled into criminal court.
The Newtown CT psychiatrist didn’t buy the guns used in the shooting as a gift for the shooter either.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 2:02 pm to John88
This isn’t just a case of an unsecured gun being taken by a crazy teenager.
They ignored signs and enabled kid’s actions which directly led to 4 people dying.
Let them rot with him in prison
They ignored signs and enabled kid’s actions which directly led to 4 people dying.
Let them rot with him in prison
Posted on 3/23/23 at 2:03 pm to Geauxld Finger
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So do we then begin to round up every juvenile criminals parents and put them on trial for their inaction or accessory their children’s crimes?
Only if they’re white males & it’s a gun related crime
Posted on 3/23/23 at 2:14 pm to QJenk
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How did the school not kick him out barring being cleared by a psychiatrist after this. At the very least, how did they not check his bookbag/locker before simply allowing him to attend class.
if there is no clear cut statute in the districts rules, they would have no legal ability to do so - which i wager is why the parents refused to take him home.
for the other part, i read he went home after and got the gun, if that is not the case I apologize - but i do agree the admins of the school should have done that for sure.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 2:22 pm to jnethe1
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What would be the factors needed for either circumstance in your opinion?
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But it is someone else’s actions. If we’re going to apply it to this case, then what reason do we have for not going after the parents of other’s who commit violent crimes?
Good questions that I wish I had time to get into. Maybe some others want to chime in.
In this case in particular there were clear warning signs of severe mental illness and the parents provided the firearm as gift and without restricted access. That is what I meant by over the top negligence. If you want to read a thorough article of the events surrounding the shooting here is a pretty good one LINK
Posted on 3/23/23 at 2:32 pm to John88
This is stupid. I hope they win their case and sue everyone.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 2:34 pm to Geauxld Finger
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So do we then begin to round up every juvenile criminals parents and put them on trial for their inaction or accessory their children’s crimes?
Yes
Accountability is no longer an art form.
Make bad parenting hurt.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 2:39 pm to Turf Taint
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The parents also "provided him with the weapon he used to kill the victims"
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