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Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:21 am to Proximo
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And end up with gastroparesis and cancer
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Proximo
bro...you have no fricking clue what you are talking about and really you gonna drop the C word....show proof or stfu. show 1 study that shows it would even be capable of causing cell proliferation.
as far as gastroparesis, that is a very very rare side effect
should we get rid of all medicines that have side effects for less than 1% of the population but otherwise have huge benefits for the other 99%+?
This post was edited on 3/8/24 at 10:26 am
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:25 am to LSUfan4444
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Id rather that person change their lifestyle than just default to big pharma and the healthcare industry to fund their weight loss.
I'll ask the same question here but surely you see the different between a diabetic being on a statin to help their cholesterol and a person with an a1c of 7.2 being on a diabetic medication to lose weight. Right? I mean, you see that difference and just don't care or do you not see it?
why not both?
are you not ok with them using the medicine to jump start a healthier lifestyle?
everyone knows i champion a healthier lifestyle, i even wrote a protocol on how to use the minimum dose of GLPs so that you avoid side effects and get the most of Minimum effective dosing.
but why do yall care so much abotu others using the medicine?
unless its someone in your insurance group it doesnt affect your cost one fricking bit. do you get mad for people having kids in your insurance group or surgeries that drive the cost up?
i dotn even use this medicine and have zero need for it but if you cant see the benefits of it...then you are blind from jealousy.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:31 am to lsu777
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if you cant see the benefits of it...then you are blind from jealousy.
Nailed it. These guys that consistently come in the GLP threads spewing speculative nonsense about the possible future effects of these drugs are simply too pig headed to learn something new or spend any time doing the research to know what they are talking about.
So I guess its a combination of jealousy and mental laziness.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:33 am to lsu777
Both MIGHT be applicable in some situations. However, it should not the be the standard.
A healthy diet, exercise, mental health, addressing other social determinants of health should be the minimum standard and what's done first.
Depends on the patient but no, in general I am not in favor of defaulting to big pharma at the expense of then healthcare system without other criteria being followed first.
Because drug costs for my insurance company play into my premiums, coverage and benefits. For those not directly covered by my plan, I still strongly believe in pushing more responsibility back to the patient to help relieve some of the stress on the healthcare system as a whole.
healthcare in this country costs entirely too much for the outcomes it provides.
It has nothing to do with jealousy and just use the steroids example from above. I don't care if you do it or not, just pay for it yourself.
A healthy diet, exercise, mental health, addressing other social determinants of health should be the minimum standard and what's done first.
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are you not ok with them using the medicine to jump start a healthier lifestyle?
Depends on the patient but no, in general I am not in favor of defaulting to big pharma at the expense of then healthcare system without other criteria being followed first.
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why do yall care so much abotu others using the medicine?
Because drug costs for my insurance company play into my premiums, coverage and benefits. For those not directly covered by my plan, I still strongly believe in pushing more responsibility back to the patient to help relieve some of the stress on the healthcare system as a whole.
healthcare in this country costs entirely too much for the outcomes it provides.
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i dotn even use this medicine and have zero need for it but if you cant see the benefits of it...then you are blind from jealousy.
It has nothing to do with jealousy and just use the steroids example from above. I don't care if you do it or not, just pay for it yourself.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:35 am to LSUfan4444
So you don’t have a problem with how one loses weight, you have a political, monetary issue with it is what this boils down to..
This post was edited on 3/8/24 at 10:36 am
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:35 am to Long Ball Larry
They'll get surpassed by the ones who invent the bigger dick pill.
They could charge a grand a month to half the dudes in India and China and be at a trillion in no time.
They could charge a grand a month to half the dudes in India and China and be at a trillion in no time.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:38 am to Long Ball Larry
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mental laziness.
I don't know anything about the potential side effects, but it anyone exhibits "mental laziness" it's the people who need a medicine to stop their dumbasses from walking to the pantry and grabbing a snack every 15 minutes. Have a bit of willpower for fricks sake.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:39 am to LSUfan4444
I started on tirzepatide back in July. I have gone from 250 lb down to 185 lb. I used to eat poorly, but now eat more balanced. I used to drink 4-5 nights per week, and now I only drink one night per week. I have gone from being mostly sedentary to running 15 miles per week.
This drug has completely changed my life and helped to jump start me into a healthier lifestyle. I had blood work done a month ago, and all of my numbers are great.
This drug has completely changed my life and helped to jump start me into a healthier lifestyle. I had blood work done a month ago, and all of my numbers are great.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:42 am to Prominentwon
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So you don’t have a problem with how one loses weight, you have a political, monetary issue with it is what this boils down to..
For the most part, yes. It's more of an idealogical issue not a clinical issue for me. I am very much a fiscal conservative. Overuse and abuse of the healthcare system puts a financial strain on this country that everyone feels. Might there be benefits from the use of ozempic for weight loss, sure, absolutely. Will it save money long term, that remains to be seen.
What I think should be undebatable is (in the vast majority of cases) that lifestyle changes, a healthier diet, exercise, improved mental health, social work intervention if possible, etc. should all be considered FIRST unless the patient wants to pay 100% for at least a 6 -12 month trial period.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:44 am to Bleed P&G
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I started on tirzepatide back in July. I have gone from 250 lb down to 185 lb. I used to eat poorly, but now eat more balanced. I used to drink 4-5 nights per week, and now I only drink one night per week. I have gone from being mostly sedentary to running 15 miles per week.
This drug has completely changed my life and helped to jump start me into a healthier lifestyle. I had blood work done a month ago, and all of my numbers are great.
no man...it doesnt help you live a healthy lifestyle
you have no will power
signed......
the fat fricks of the OT
its amazing to me...we have monthly BMI threads where it comesout 90% of the ot is fat as frick
and now we have monthly GLP1 threads where those same fat fricks make fun of others for no longer being fat fricks because they used a medicine to help them
the irony is deep on the OT
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:47 am to lsu777
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its amazing to me...we have monthly BMI threads where it comesout 90% of the ot is fat as frick
and now we have monthly GLP1 threads where those same fat fricks make fun of others for no longer being fat fricks because they used a medicine to help them
the irony is deep on the OT
You have examples of people in the BMI threads saying that they are fat, and then those same exact people posting in this thread against the drug? Because you can't treat the OT as a collective.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:49 am to lsu777
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no man...it doesnt help you live a healthy lifestyle
Long term, probably not. No magic pill has shown the ability to prevent poor habits from re-emerging.
Most who lose weight gain it back in a few years. I bet this magic pill isnt much different long term.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:49 am to lsu777
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the irony is deep on the OT
Agree 100%.
The OT "we need affordable healthcare and f big pharma"
The OT "oh, there's a pill for that??? will you write me a script for a diabetic medication so I can lose weight rather than changing my lifestyle so my insurance will cover it?"
Posted on 3/8/24 at 10:49 am to lsu777
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its amazing to me...we have monthly BMI threads where it comesout 90% of the ot is fat as frick
and now we have monthly GLP1 threads where those same fat fricks make fun of others for no longer being fat fricks because they used a medicine to help them
These are related. It's the same reason why these Ozempic threads always say "people will use them to lose 10lbs." 10 pounds is nothing, but that's what everyone thinks they need to lose. Not 40, 50, 60lbs, just like 10! Same people don't think they're fat and could "lose 10lbs" if the wanted to, but they don't need to, right?!
It's body positivity and fat acceptance at its core, it's just that no one wants to admit it.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 11:05 am to LSUfan4444
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A healthy diet, exercise, mental health, addressing other social determinants of health should be the minimum standard and what's done first.
This sounds amazing on paper. In reality there is no way the medical system has the man power to hold everyone’s hand through this process. Hell they’re barely able to push out the damn pills in a lot of places.
You’d be absolutely shocked to see what people in good faith think is healthy for them and what isn’t. It’s not always about willpower as much as just basic ignorance of the populace. It’s so widespread and so out of control that I’m just happy it’s trending in a decent direction for a chunk of the population even if it’s not the ideal mechanism of change.
This post was edited on 3/8/24 at 11:10 am
Posted on 3/8/24 at 11:09 am to Bleed P&G
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This drug has completely changed my life and helped to jump start me into a healthier lifestyle. I had blood work done a month ago, and all of my numbers are great.
This is the kind of person I said earlier, very happy for them and the risk/reward for them makes sense just like the person that's 400 pounds with type U diabetes, please take Ozempic and save your life.
My only point has been, when a drug company says "take this drug for life" with no long term data on what happens to the complex bodily systems being affected over time, use caution and think of the risk/reward matrix.
I do know 50 year old women and men taking Ozempic to lose 10 pounds. Let them take Ozempic. I'm not mad and I don't care who takes it so drop the line.
How long have statins been prescribed? Data is just coming now showing statins extend lives of people with acute cardiovascular disease by a day or week tops and statins are everyday being linked more and more to Alzheimer's and dementia. After over 30 years of prescribing billions of doses we now know pretty clearly that statins do virtually nothing for cardiovascular disease and likely contribute to dementia.
Go take your statins and Ozempic. Enjoy.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 11:14 am to Oates Mustache
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I know of 3 people that used it, dropped a ton of weight, and also changed their lifestyle completely.
I wonder what wouldve happened if they wouldve changed their lifestyle and not used the drug?
I guess they wouldve gained weight.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 11:17 am to St Augustine
Would you be in favor of doing something with the costs similar to a deductible or donut hole?
Let's say a patient wants ozempic, okay, pay 100% of the costs until ____ is met. Then pay 80% until ____ is met. Then pay 60 % so on and so on with continued coverage based on positive outcomes, no intolerances, no allergic reactions or severe side effects? You could also incentive patients to receive more coverage for the drug costs with in rage lab results (CMP, CBC, Lipid profile and A1C done quarterly) and in control BP results for quarterly visits with their PCP.
Wouldn't this incentives people learn about, introduce and implement a healthier lifestyle rather than starting with the prescription?
Distancing from big pharma is a necessity in this country. Becoming more dependent on it is just accepting a loss.
Let's say a patient wants ozempic, okay, pay 100% of the costs until ____ is met. Then pay 80% until ____ is met. Then pay 60 % so on and so on with continued coverage based on positive outcomes, no intolerances, no allergic reactions or severe side effects? You could also incentive patients to receive more coverage for the drug costs with in rage lab results (CMP, CBC, Lipid profile and A1C done quarterly) and in control BP results for quarterly visits with their PCP.
Wouldn't this incentives people learn about, introduce and implement a healthier lifestyle rather than starting with the prescription?
Distancing from big pharma is a necessity in this country. Becoming more dependent on it is just accepting a loss.
Posted on 3/8/24 at 11:19 am to Odysseus32
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I've resigned to understanding that its better for society, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth that these people aren't going through the actual self-discipline modes needed to lose weight traditionally.
Its a net benefit to society no matter how they do it.
"I'm mad at my grandkids because I had to shite in a bucket and they have an outhouse"
"Well I'm mad at MY grandkids because I had to shite in an outhouse and they have a toilet"
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