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re: Other novel viruses — google tells me that H1N1 and SARS were
Posted on 4/29/20 at 6:33 am to tiger91
Posted on 4/29/20 at 6:33 am to tiger91
Those were pretty easily contained. They were not contagious unless you were showing symptoms, so quarantining the sick contained it pretty well.
This virus, unfortunately, spreads even if you're asymptomatic. To me, that's the biggest thing that separates this one from those.
Eta
I was thinking of SARS and MERS. I don't think H1N1 spread asymptomatically but it still all over the world and killed a lot of people outside of the US.
This virus, unfortunately, spreads even if you're asymptomatic. To me, that's the biggest thing that separates this one from those.
Eta
I was thinking of SARS and MERS. I don't think H1N1 spread asymptomatically but it still all over the world and killed a lot of people outside of the US.
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 6:48 am
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 6:34 am to lsunurse
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You want to know why a flu pandemic, with antivirals available for treatment, was treated differently than this?
You really have to ask???
The concept of a novel virus was not the major driver for the reaction being so different this time, IMO. Antivirals are often ineffective in preventing the flu due to the many different strains. The nuance of the science here was too granular to have been the deciding factor in how the news was covered and the panic spread.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 6:44 am to tiger91
A very small amount of immunity is conferred at birth. Apart from this, every ilness you've experienced in life was novel to you.
My point is, humanity experiences novel pathogens all the time as individuals.
This collective pants shitting shows what a bunch of scared bunny rabbits people have become. It is truly disappointing.
My point is, humanity experiences novel pathogens all the time as individuals.
This collective pants shitting shows what a bunch of scared bunny rabbits people have become. It is truly disappointing.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 6:44 am to floyd of pink
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You are the part of the way right that is psychotic. If you truly believe this, you might want to take a look at yourself in the mirror.
It may not be correct, but it’s not psychotic.
Questioning the motives of the left is absolutely proper at this point. The fact that they have undermined institutions and perpetuated hoax narratives to resist Trump is undeniable. In fact, they don’t really deny it.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 6:50 am to WaydownSouth
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Trump, Election Year, Politics etc.
Yes Texas, where every state office is republican, locked down to damage trump.
take that shite to the moms basement board.Posted on 4/29/20 at 6:53 am to Jinglebob
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Plenty of countries did not shut down and they are still here. Everybody did not die.
You mean like Sweden? That currently has a higher COVID death rate than the US right now?
Posted on 4/29/20 at 6:54 am to Jimbeaux
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It may not be correct, but it’s not psychotic.
Questioning the motives of the left is absolutely proper at this point. The fact that they have undermined institutions and perpetuated hoax narratives to resist Trump is undeniable. In fact, they don’t really deny it.
You think the entire world shut down because the United States of America is holding an election this year? Christ
Posted on 4/29/20 at 6:57 am to tiger91
I believe SARS and h1n1 didn't have the long incubation periods and the large amount of asymptomatic carriers.
They both made the people affected ill very quickly, and they couldn't transmit it without having symptoms.
I think this quarantine is bullshite, but covid 19 is way easier to spread unknowingly than the others
They both made the people affected ill very quickly, and they couldn't transmit it without having symptoms.
I think this quarantine is bullshite, but covid 19 is way easier to spread unknowingly than the others
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 7:01 am
Posted on 4/29/20 at 7:01 am to rondo
Bottom line is this shut down should’ve ended a couple weeks ago for 95% of the country.
I’m not saying start having music festivals and MLB games, but most stuff should’ve been opened up by now.
The Trump conspiracy shite is ridiculous. But it’s obvious that certain politicians are taking full advantage of this.
I’m not saying start having music festivals and MLB games, but most stuff should’ve been opened up by now.
The Trump conspiracy shite is ridiculous. But it’s obvious that certain politicians are taking full advantage of this.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 7:03 am to lsunurse
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You mean like Sweden? That currently has a higher COVID death rate than the US right now?
But lower than a bunch of their neighboring countries and will reach herd immunity over the summer so won’t be dealing with this crap
The US is going to have the lowest death rate per capita of any western nation at the end of this because our healthcare >> the rest of the world
Posted on 4/29/20 at 7:14 am to Midtiger farm
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But lower than a bunch of their neighboring countries
Ummm.....
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At face value, Sweden is not doing well. By April 22, its mortality rates from COVID-19 were the tenth highest in the world, with 17.3 deaths per 100,000. By comparison, its neighbours Denmark, Norway and Finland ranked 17th, 22nd and 31st, with 6.4, 3.4 and 2.6 deaths per 100,000.
LINK
Posted on 4/29/20 at 7:22 am to floyd of pink
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You think the entire world shut down because the United States of America is holding an election this year? Christ
This reply is a classic straw man fallacy.
First, I didn’t say the theory was correct, just that it’s not “psychotic”.
If you want to refute the point, can you come back with something substantive?
Secondly, you alleged intentionality as a component. See my post about chaos theory. It doesn’t take intentionality, but only a predisposition to believe certain narratives.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 7:24 am to WaydownSouth
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The rest of the world is made up of socialist. The UK was going to remain open before they got cucked into closing from the backlash
You people are fricking idiots
Posted on 4/29/20 at 7:27 am to WaydownSouth
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Trump, Election Year, Politics etc.
These people literally made up a fake impeachment claim, to impeach the president of the US in the House.
If this were 2021, we would have continued on with life as normal
fricking idiot.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 7:34 am to tiger91
I think the main difference is SARS and H1N1 never mutated to be able to be passed from person to person. you had to eat a raw bird to get it. I could be wrong though
ETA: for all those downvoting me, it’s H5N1 I’m talking about and I saw it on Netflix so backoff
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ETA: for all those downvoting me, it’s H5N1 I’m talking about and I saw it on Netflix so backoff
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Q2: How does H5N1 influenza spread to people? Almost all cases of H5N1 infection in people have been associated with close contact with infected live or dead birds, or H5N1-contaminated environments. The virus does not infect humans easily, and spread from person to person appears to be unusual. There is no evidence that the disease can be spread to people through properly prepared and thoroughly cooked food.
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This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 7:54 am
Posted on 4/29/20 at 7:34 am to Jimbeaux
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Trump and the style of anti-establishment politics that he represents,
It's laughable some of you idiots still believe this and defend him.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 7:37 am to tiger91
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Why didn’t we take these measures with h1n1? That’s all I’m basically asking
Because the symptomology was different. And while we did not have a specific H1N1 flu vaccine at the time, we did have a flu vaccine that we could base a newer vaccine off of. It wasn't made available in large quantities until after the second wave.
With COVID-19, there has never been a vaccine for a coronavirus (from my understanding) due to its quick mutation ability that makes it hard to pin down. And while some Universities have worked on trying to find a "cold" vaccine, there just wasn't much interest (or research money) behind it given the lessened severity of it compared to the flu.
I'll also say, we (school systems) developed a pandemic plan based on SARS and H1N1. We did not have that before in such a wide range.
2009 H1N1 Pandemic - CDC.gov
Posted on 4/29/20 at 8:00 am to BluegrassBelle
My opinion on the difference is we found out this was a man made virus designed to kill humans with no known cures. I think after we arrested the professor from Harvard and got a look at what he'd done we knew it was about to be bad then we saw what it was doing in China and Italy. I think we've done as good as could be expected in fighting it and agree it's time to start reopening in places that aren't hot spots.
Posted on 4/29/20 at 8:01 am to lsunurse
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Ummm.....
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At face value, Sweden is not doing well. By April 22, its mortality rates from COVID-19 were the tenth highest in the world, with 17.3 deaths per 100,000. By comparison, its neighbours Denmark, Norway and Finland ranked 17th, 22nd and 31st, with 6.4, 3.4 and 2.6 deaths per 100,000.
Why don't they talk about the rest of the EU countries?
Sweden has 2500 deaths and say they reach 5000 but their economy is still strong and everyone still has a job and food to eat and they are done with the virus by the summer.
Tell me who is in a better situation? Denmark, Italy, or Sweden?
Posted on 4/29/20 at 8:10 am to tiger91
One big reason is we had a competent administration at the time of those two that took the threat seriously and allowed the departments to actively combat them. But I think it's also fair to say that each virus is different and has its own set of challenges. This one certainly seems far more dangerous and possibly more contagious, so even with a more proactive response we may have seen similar lockdowns.
There was some freak out over H1N1, but obviously not to the level of this one.
There was some freak out over H1N1, but obviously not to the level of this one.
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