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re: Oregon becomes first state to end private equity and corporate control of doctor practices

Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:00 am to
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
11034 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:00 am to
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Do they incorporate them or form an LLP?


It isn’t the business form that matters. A corporation or an LLP should be fine as long as it is owned by the professionals. The problem comes in when non-professionals own the practice and start dictating to the professionals in an effort to increase profits.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
31078 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:03 am to
Small private equity involved in businesses that sell widgets, it’s been neutral to bad in my experience, so I guess. Any PE involved in service industries, especially involving public health or outcomes have been overwhelming negatives and the mission statement of those businesses cannot be purely profit driven, which is what PE is
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
98458 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:04 am to
Love when government tells private businesses how they can operate
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
31078 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:05 am to
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Love when government tells private businesses how they can operate


Are you against slavery or child labor laws?
Posted by jclem11
Chief Nihilist
Member since Nov 2011
9164 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:09 am to
Love when large conglomerates enshittify everything in the name of more and more profits for themselves at the expense of the rest of society.
Posted by TigerReich
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Dec 2024
219 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:09 am to
Not true. Several states allow non-lawyer ownership now, which skirts the ethical prohibitions against fee sharing with non-lawyers, thereby permitting investment firms to own law firms…see Utah, Nevada, Tennessee, etc.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
37192 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:10 am to
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Anything that has standards to uphold the public trust or health should not be owned by PE. The ethos of the two entities are incongruent.
How are you defining PE? A broad reading of your statement is that there should only be public ownership of such entities.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
31078 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:13 am to
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How are you defining PE? A broad reading of your statement is that there should only be public ownership of such entities.


Institutional ownership. They probably shouldn’t be owned by the public either. Most likely, ownership and control should be my practitioners with regulatory and ethical standards.

It’s not quite that simple, but that’s my general sentiment for a message board
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
37192 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:15 am to
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Institutional ownership. They probably shouldn’t be owned by the public either. Most likely, ownership and control should be my practitioners with regulatory and ethical standards.
How is institutional ownership defined? And it's not like regulatory and ethical standards go away just because of who owns it.
Posted by BigBinBR
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2023
7657 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:16 am to
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They act in bad faith, often unlawfully, and get around being prosecuted through NDAs, forum selection, and restrictive contracting.


A lot of PE companies also leverage one company to buy another, load the original company up with tons of debt from the purchase, syphon off all the profits, then have the original company declare bankruptcy and shut down which wipes their debt. Rince and repeat with a new business.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
60160 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:19 am to
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It isn’t the business form that matters. A corporation or an LLP should be fine as long as it is owned by the professionals. The problem comes in when non-professionals own the practice and start dictating to the professionals in an effort to increase profits.


That's the goal of the law as far as I understand it, but I haven't looked into it that closely.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
31078 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:19 am to
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And it's not like regulatory and ethical standards go away just because of who owns it.


I understand, but in my opinion, it’s practically impossible for them to coexist with the mission of private equity
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
55821 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:21 am to
It's a good idea, but how many of those who are championing this are doing so as a step towards pushing for universal (read: government-controlled instead of PE-controlled) healthcare?
Posted by tom
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2007
8510 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:21 am to
Government "saving" us from problems government created!
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
31078 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:22 am to
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That's the goal of the law as far as I understand it,


It’s a lot more complicated than that and you’re smart enough to understand that.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
60160 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:23 am to
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How is institutional ownership defined? And it's not like regulatory and ethical standards go away just because of who owns it.


Right. I'm not sure how I feel about this to be honest. I'm in the private equity industry, but I do have some reservations about medical services being owned by private equity.
Posted by LSUA 75
Colfax,La.
Member since Jan 2019
4362 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:24 am to
I’m not a Dr. or lawyer but I have questions about the legality of this if a Dr. or group of Drs want to sell their practice to a corporate entity so they don’t have to deal with the business side of running a practice.
Also it’s not always a bad thing,I guess it depends on the corporation or private equity firm that buys the practice.

For example the Cardiology Clinic where my wife works was bought by a hospital group and it’s not been so good.Drs. are graded on productivity,they’re expected to see so many pts.a day which works out to about 15 minutes per pt.Also,the corporate entity is not that well organized so the office is not that well organized.DR.she primarily works with is not so happy,she’s not that happy either.


On the other hand the eye Dr.I go to is part of a practice owned by a private equity firm and they are a model of efficiency.I have macula degeneration so I have to visit every 6 months.I never have to wait past my appt.time.Girl calls me back,takes my vital signs,checks me for glaucoma and puts drops in my eyes to dilate them.Go to another waiting room few minutes then called back,different girl takes pictures of my retinas.Go back to waiting room few minutes,another girl calls me back to a different room where I look into another machine where she takes measurements or something.
Go back to waiting room few minutes then called back,Dr.looks into my eyes,looks at the pictures,etc and explains what’s going on with my eyes.I see that there are a lot of pts.but I never feels rushed,Dr. answers questions I have.Whole visit takes less than a hour.
This post was edited on 6/11/25 at 10:30 am
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
8359 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:27 am to
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What about all the practices there already owned by PE?


They have until 2029 to severe the relationship.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
60160 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:29 am to
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It’s a lot more complicated than that


I can only go by the statements that I've read from Oregon politicians about the law. The express stated goal was to "prevent loopholes" to Oregon’s corporate practice of medicine doctrine. The summary of the bill expressly provides that its goal is to stop "people in charge of companies that do not do medical work from running both the company and another entity that does medical work".

I didn't opine on other policy aspects, but your douchiness is acknowledged.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
31078 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:32 am to
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I didn't opine on other policy aspects, but your douchiness is acknowledged.


for pointing out you actually have mental capacity unlike 95% of posters? You aren’t going to lose your job over this, get your panties out of a wad
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