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Opportunity Zones- Inner city vs Rural America? Kim Kardashian!
Posted on 6/22/20 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 6/22/20 at 6:06 pm
This is a spinoff from another thread:
Thread about why there are more shitty southern cities than in other parts of the country. Busted.
Anyway, it was interesting to discuss why there are such huge swathes of the rural south that are dead/dying. It made me think about the value of governmental programs that try and invigorate inner city neighborhoods while ignoring these huge areas of our country that are literally dying from 1/ the death of small farms and 2/ industry being removed by NAFTA and the terrible policies of the 90s.
How can we bring back those huge areas of the country? I see big areas that are being destroyed by the inconvenience of their traditional means of income. The small southern family farm: Dead. Raising a family in coal country: Dead. Running a small retail store in rural America: Dead... Why are those millions of people not important?
Affirmative action is there 247/365 and backing up the demands of the inner city. So, who gives a shite about rural America?
NOTE- Kim Kardashian will not appear anywhere in this thread lol. Just threw it out there to get clicks from dumb-dumbs who need for there to be some pop angle. because their is nothing more boring to SJWs than poor wypipo.
Thread about why there are more shitty southern cities than in other parts of the country. Busted.
Anyway, it was interesting to discuss why there are such huge swathes of the rural south that are dead/dying. It made me think about the value of governmental programs that try and invigorate inner city neighborhoods while ignoring these huge areas of our country that are literally dying from 1/ the death of small farms and 2/ industry being removed by NAFTA and the terrible policies of the 90s.
How can we bring back those huge areas of the country? I see big areas that are being destroyed by the inconvenience of their traditional means of income. The small southern family farm: Dead. Raising a family in coal country: Dead. Running a small retail store in rural America: Dead... Why are those millions of people not important?
Affirmative action is there 247/365 and backing up the demands of the inner city. So, who gives a shite about rural America?
NOTE- Kim Kardashian will not appear anywhere in this thread lol. Just threw it out there to get clicks from dumb-dumbs who need for there to be some pop angle. because their is nothing more boring to SJWs than poor wypipo.
This post was edited on 6/22/20 at 7:54 pm
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Posted on 6/22/20 at 6:08 pm to stickly
I think there will be a push to move out of cities. But people will want land. They wont want to live in a shitty town
Posted on 6/22/20 at 6:09 pm to stickly
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How can we bring back those huge areas of the country?
Tax exemption for individuals/families with permanent domiciles and investment in areas below certain income thresholds or some other metric. Decent reduction in taxes for businesses (with preference given to smaller businesses as opposed to the F500) who do the same.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 6:11 pm to Cosmo
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They wont want to live in a shitty town
I 100% agree with that. We think about moving all of the time. So how do we create a scheme that invigorates those out-of-the-way places? I'll tell you, if there were better schools in BFE I would already live there but it seems like shitty schools is a nationwide strategy and rural America is on the front lines, even more than the inner city.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 6:13 pm to stickly
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I'll tell you, if there were better schools in BFE I would already live there but it seems like shitty schools is a nationwide strategy and rural America is on the front lines, even more than the inner city.
If there is good enough internet infrastructure (which I realize is rather difficult in some places, especially out West), then remote learning is not a bad way to go - especially if there are enough social/athletic activities to supplement the socialization aspect of schooling.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 6:16 pm to stickly
You’d think that with the rise and popularity of remote working and the technology that we have that more and more companies are going to be flexible with where employees live and not have to be in a certain city which gives you more freedom to live wherever you want, which would give more smaller towns in rural areas a great chance for people to call home.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 6:19 pm to Paul Allen
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You’d think that with the rise and popularity of remote working and the technology that we have that more and more companies are going to be flexible with where employees live and not have to be in a certain city which gives you more freedom to live wherever you want, which would give more smaller towns in rural areas a great chance for people to call home.
100% agree but the thing that breaks that strategy is that without good internet I can't do a Zoom call with corporate. Good internet is literally the only thing holding rural America back from reinventing itself. If we spent as much on upgrading BFE to modern standards as we do on inner-city programs we could reinvent the US. Imagine if ANYONE (black or white) could relocate to place with a higher standard of living because it was available? The inner city sucks arse and as soon as inner-city folks can afford to they run away with quickness.
If there was a legitimate way to escape the city people would do it. Let's give them that.
This post was edited on 6/22/20 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 6/22/20 at 6:24 pm to stickly
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If we spent as much on upgrading BFE to modern standards as we do on other inner-city programs we could reinvent the US.
The biggest problem - especially in the West, again - is how fricking large and spread out our population is in rural areas. I don't know the costs of laying cable, but I can't imagine it would be profitable to do so for a town of 1,000 that is 20 miles away from another place of similar size. This is where the discussion about federal/state investment in digital infrastructure as a utility becomes a big topic.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 6:36 pm to HempHead
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The biggest problem - especially in the West, again - is how fricking large and spread out our population is in rural areas.
That's a legit concern. But with the advent of fiber optic it is kind a bullshite worry. It is relatively easy and cheap to get a big *pipe* into rural America if anyone cared. Getting it into every nook and cranny is crazy but when you are 30 miles outside of a legit US town/city then it is just *being an obstacle*. Let's free the prisoners of US cities.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 6:47 pm to stickly
Wut, if you Want Internet you can get it. The cost is not cheap, also Obama has laid quite a bit or fiber in rural areas. For every worthwhile person in the country there are probably 20 that are worthless. The issue is when the ACH person owns 40 acres or whatever it’s a hell of a distance between houses.
If you have money and can truly live anywhere there’s plenty of places with good schools in rural or small towns. You can’t turn terrible students into great students easily. The places with good schools generally have a reason to have good parents living there.
If you have money and can truly live anywhere there’s plenty of places with good schools in rural or small towns. You can’t turn terrible students into great students easily. The places with good schools generally have a reason to have good parents living there.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 6:48 pm to stickly
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NOTE- Kim Kardashian will not appear anywhere in this thread lol
Posted on 6/22/20 at 6:49 pm to baldona
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You can’t turn terrible students into great students easily. The places with good schools generally have a reason to have good parents living there.
Can't this exact argument be made for inner cities? Why does the inner-city get a pass?
Posted on 6/22/20 at 6:51 pm to OysterPoBoy
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NOTE- Kim Kardashian will not appear anywhere in this thread lol
Solid post. Thumbs up! I know I said no Kim K but she actually did make this thread better. Cheers.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 6:52 pm to stickly
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see big areas that are being destroyed by the inconvenience of their traditional means of income. The small southern family farm: Dead.
I can think of a cash crop that works better when given more intricate attention that could help struggling farmers....
Posted on 6/22/20 at 7:01 pm to stickly
I guess where my head is is that inner city kids who have been broken by general stupidity, victimhood, and democratic policy (thanks LBJ and Biden) cannot EVER be saved by the inner city. They can only be freed from their inner-city slavery by escaping it. Those people being able to relocate to the country could literally save them and their families.
This post was edited on 6/22/20 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 6/22/20 at 7:05 pm to stickly
Opportunity Zones are an ineffective policy and waste of tax dollars. Most of the money from these programs are going to fast food restaurants and gas stations. There's one on the Northside of Lafayette and the only thing they have built in the zone is KFC.These programs aren't exactly bringing back manufacturing back to the inner cities.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 7:06 pm to Limitlesstigers
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Opportunity Zones are an ineffective policy and waste of tax dollars. Most of the money from these programs are going to fast food restaurants and gas stations.
I agree, but maybe they could actually try to bring back middle-America through investment too? I have been in too many American towns that once were thriving but now are dying. Some kind of inducement could help those places but there is no effort to make that happen. We spend billions on inner city experiments that do not seem to work. Why not spend billions on reviving the rest of the US?
This post was edited on 6/22/20 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 6/22/20 at 7:23 pm to stickly
I know it is millennial-sexy to jerk off about getting everyone into the city but seriously, why would anyone do that? The cities are a shitshow with terrible politicians that just suck in general.
Free America and fund opportunity zones in rural America.
Free America and fund opportunity zones in rural America.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 7:25 pm to stickly
Hate to sound like an elitist but nothing is going to improve for either group until they learn updated skills. It's a lot more complicated than it seems. Manufacturing and Construction are so tech driven now. I definitely think we should invest more in community/technical colleges and apprenticeship programs so people can get back to work quicker. I work as a recruiter and struggle to find automation techs, people who can code, skilled electricians, and HVAC specialists.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 7:28 pm to HempHead
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If there is good enough internet infrastructure (which I realize is rather difficult in some places, especially out West), then remote learning is not a bad way to go - especially if there are enough social/athletic activities to supplement the socialization aspect of schooling.
Have you ever been to a rural town? The highschool IS the social event.
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